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G. Scott Long
4th August 2009, 18:17
Does anyone have any information on Gerhard Renz, a KC holder from KG 26?

Best wishes,
Scott

Stig Jarlevik
4th August 2009, 20:46
Scott

You will have far better details from others,but he was born on July 22, 1910 in Halle and was very successful in the early period as an observer against France, Norway and Britain. Received the RK on July 31, 1940 while still an Oberfeldwebel. Promoted later to officer status.

I have nothing on his later career.

Cheers
Stig

bakerman
4th August 2009, 21:09
RENZ received the KC because he was a very successful Heinkel 111-bomber-pilot in 1939/40, mostly on anti-shipping flights against the british Home Fleet. His observer at this time was Lt. ALBERT von SCHWERIN, both KC on 31-07-1940. SCHWERIN was killed on 19.11.1940 near Barking/Essex (I have no details), at this time RENZ was not his pilot.
His last rank was Hauptmann.
Sorry, that's all what I have.
GERHARD RENZ died on 16.02.1946 in Lübeck.

Stig Jarlevik
4th August 2009, 21:37
Interesting Bakerman

My info that Rentz was an observer came from Achtung - Torpedo Los by Rudi Schmidt. He claims von Schwerin was a pilot.....:o

Not wishing to be pertinent, but what is your source please?

Cheers
Stig

Brian Bines
4th August 2009, 23:53
There is a photo of von Schwerin on page 14 of 'The Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain' by Armand van Ishoven. He is wearing the KC so it was taken after 31-7-40, standing next him is a Fw? with what looks like a gold Observor Badge possibly Rentz. As regards the crash at Barking I have this as at Beckton Marshes Jenkins Lane at 0019hrs after the Heinkel hit a Baloon Lane. Crew as FF Oblt Albert von Schwerin, B Oblt Phillipps (St.Kap) Bs Stab.Arzt.Dr. Albert Leuchtenberg, Bf Ofw Heinz Gohler, Bm Ofw Fritz Gundlack all killed. According to the Barking Advertiser of 30-11-40 the remains of one crewman was buried at Barking Cemetery by the Rev Bloomer as an unknown airman, with members of an RAF Baloon Unit attending. A bunch of flowers was handed to one of the RAF men to place on the coffin with a note 'To Some Mothers Son'

Larry deZeng
5th August 2009, 01:02
We have very little on him in our data base:

RENZ, Gerhard. (DOB: 22.07.10 in Halle). (R). 09.39 with 1./KG 26. 31.07.40 Ofw. in II./KG 26, awarded the Ritterkreuz for outstanding success against Royal Navy units in the North Sea. 01.04.43 promo to Hptm. (Kr.O.). †16.02.46 in Lübeck.

HLdeZ/DGS

P.S. Very, very strange that he does not show up in any of the Luftwaffenpersonalamt officer assignment orders after he got his Ritterkreuz. Nor was there a card on him in the Karteikarten for flying personnel at the end of the war. I would almost be willing to bet that he was separated from active service and went to work for one of the aircraft manufacturers, possibly?

obdl3945
5th August 2009, 01:14
Hi, Scott...

As a slight aside from your question, the undernoted site will give you details about Albert von Schwerin's demise and how and where his machine fell. Scroll to the bottom of the 1939/40 page... it's the last entry listed.

Regards...

Paul


http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/luft1939/

bakerman
6th August 2009, 16:57
Sorry I was wrong! RENZ was observer and SCHWERIN the pilot! I saw a pic on that RENZ looked out the right cockpit window, where the observers place was.
Here another low quality pic from RENZ( found by ebay), shows him as a Hauptmann.

Brian Bines
6th August 2009, 17:47
Looks like the same airman in the photo in 'The Luftwaffe in the BoB' book.

G. Scott Long
6th August 2009, 21:46
Thanks for all the info guys. I also have a picture of Renz in the old Uwe Feist "Luftwaffe Diary" which shows Renz looking out the Left side cockpit window, so naturally my first guess was that he was a pilot. Maybe some day we will solve this question!

Best wishes,
Scott

Brian Bines
6th August 2009, 22:44
As a pre-war Observer Renz would have been trained as a pilot up to 'C' standard with around 150hrs flight time. In the photos he seems to be wearing the early Observer badge with a gold wreath and silver eagle.

Spanferkel
6th August 2009, 23:13
Actually it appears that in the photo of Renz, taken in late 1941 or later based on the spange award being worn that he is likely wearing a combined pilot/observer badge.

It was not overly uncommon to have observers later completing their pilot flight training and then being awarded the pilot/observer badge which design wise was identical to the pilots badge with the notable exception that the wreath was gold.

I have a number of document groups where this is the case that the Beobachterschein (observer license) was followed some time later with the individual receiving his flugzeugfuhrerschein (pilot license) at which point the combined badge was issued/awarded.

Cheers

Jeremy

derek hicks
7th August 2009, 09:04
Sorry to intervene on this subject but I've been researching 'my man' of KG26 (Otto Werner). I have all his service career etc. but one piece of the jigsaw eludes me and that is a picture of Otto Werner. I've been searching for over 10 years now without success with the photo - even Reimer Voss and Werner Morath pilots of KG26 who have been in contact cannot help me Seeing just how successful this thread has been I just had to put my request in!

Larry deZeng
7th August 2009, 15:15
Sorry to intervene on this subject but I've been researching 'my man' of KG26 (Otto Werner). I have all his service career etc. but one piece of the jigsaw eludes me and that is a picture of Otto Werner. I've been searching for over 10 years now without success with the photo - even Reimer Voss and Werner Morath pilots of KG26 who have been in contact cannot help me Seeing just how successful this thread has been I just had to put my request in!

Would it be possible for you to share some of his career information with us? We seem to be stuck around fall 1940 (please see my Post above). Thanks, Larry

ghostwriter2
8th August 2009, 18:17
According to my information, Renz was actually retired from front service in July 1940 and served as an instructor for observer at Kampffliegerschule Tutow. In late 1942 he was trained as pilot himself; however he did not return to the front but became a flight instructor. He was with 3./K.G. 101 in 1944.

Greetings,
ghost

Larry deZeng
8th August 2009, 18:29
According to my information, Renz was actually retired from front service in July 1940 and served as an instructor for observer at Kampffliegerschule Tutow. In late 1942 he was trained as pilot himself; however he did not return to the front but became a flight instructor. He was with 3./K.G. 101 in 1944.
Greetings,
ghost

Thanks, Ghost, that's very useful information and I will append it to our data block on him.

Larry