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Roger Gaemperle
9th April 2011, 00:45
Hello,

For some reason, cockpit photos of late war Bf 110 G-4 nightfighters seem to be extremely rare. Apart from museum photos, I don't know of any wartime photo.

Does anybody have a wartime cockpit photo of a Bf 110 G-4 or knows in which book one can find one?

Thanks.

Regards,
Roger

ChrisMAg2
11th April 2011, 11:53
Roger,
i remember having posted a series of photos -including photos of the entire cockpit- of a captured Bf 110 G-4 from a BIOS/ CIOS report dated IIRC September 1944. Unfortunaly it went lost with the crash of LEMB when still with ezBoard. So there...

Nick Beale
11th April 2011, 13:10
IIRC there were some composite photos in the Monogram Close Up on the Bf 110 G, at least of the radar operator's position.

Peter D Evans
11th April 2011, 14:23
Just checked that source Nick, nothing for the front cockpit though. I'm sure that George/Felix has a copy of the CIOS/BIOS Report Chris makes mention of above. Is this a report of a Bf110G-4 found on a railway truck by advancing US forces in France? Contrary to comments above, I'm sure I have a back-up of the images or even photocopy of this report somewhere but just can't lay my hands on it... off to have a hunt

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Peter D Evans
11th April 2011, 14:47
Perhaps these are selective scans from the same CIOS/BIOS report?

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/LEMB/me1.jpg
http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/LEMB/me2.jpg
http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/LEMB/me3.jpg
http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/LEMB/me4.jpg

These are from an old LEMB back-up and were possibly the images originally provided by Chris. So there...

In the meantime, I have the feelers out for a full scan of this CIOS/BIOS report, which from a google search, appears to have been issued on 18th August 1944...

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Roger Gaemperle
12th April 2011, 21:54
Hi Chris, Nick and Peter,

Thank you very much for your help and links and photos!

I have a copy of Monogram's Close-Up by George G. Hopp in my collection and just checked it. There is indeed a photo of the radio operator's position as well as a photo of Peter Cohausz's original Bf 110 G instrument panel.

I remember this CIOS/BIOS report. I think I once even had an original copy, but have not scanned it before I traded it. As far as I can remember, there was a photo of the main instrument panel, although the quality of the photo was poor and the panel was missing some of its instruments. Peter, Chris do you also have a scan of that photo?

I am looking for a cockpit photo that shows the control stick of a Bf 110 G-4 equipped with MG 17s instead of the MK 108 (like e.g. for the Hendon Bf 110 G-4). The only possibility for such a photo would be a wartime photo (I have checked most of the wartime manuals already, but they sometimes show prototype configurations). But for some odd reason, they seem to be extremely rare considering that there were quite a few Bf 110s around at the end of the war.

Best regards,
Roger

Peter D Evans
12th April 2011, 22:51
As I've mentioned above Roger, this is all I can find thus far with regards photos included in this report. I have subsequently located a page of text from the same report, which can be viewed via the link below:

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/LEMB/metx.jpg

Perhaps reproduction of this page will jog somebodies memory and lead to the complete report surfacing. I've dropped George Hopp/Felix an email to see if he has a copy, albeit, I know he's been ill recently, so hope my correspondence to him find him in better health :)

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

SES
12th April 2011, 23:03
Will this do ?
http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/Panelnachbau/JordanOliver/Bf110.htm
bregds
SES

Peter D Evans
14th April 2011, 20:17
With thanks to Christian/ChrisMAg2, we are able to provide the complete report, repacked as an easy to read .pdf...

http://tinyurl.com/5w4jnq5

Enjoy :)

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

SES
14th April 2011, 21:52
Very enjoyable, thanks for sharing.
bregds
SES

Roger Gaemperle
15th April 2011, 14:07
Hi SES,

Thanks for the link! Although, I am particularly interested in a wartime photo of the cockpit on which also the control stick is visible, it is quite an interesting article and a nice replica panel.


Hi David and Christian,

Many thanks for that excellent report! That is exactly what I was looking for. One photo shows the half-looted cockpit and part of the control stick. There appears to be an additional button attached to the stick (on the front of the wire connection box), which I thought was for "Kampfdurchladung" of the MG 17 (so all charged at once). But this aircraft was not equipped with MG 17. Maybe, the aircraft originally had MG 17s and the button was left in place when it was retrofitted with MK 108s. The button is not installed in the Bf 110 at Hendon, which was also equipped with MK 108 (but maybe already delivered with MK 108s and never had MG 17s).

Cheers,

Roger

SES
15th April 2011, 14:35
Hi Roger,
This may then be of interest:
http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/instrumente/katalog/Katalogmenue/web/new%20site/frames2/KatalogMenue.htm
and the pictures attached, found in documents available on the same WEB-site.
bregds
SES

Peter D Evans
15th April 2011, 15:50
Hi David & Christian
David? Looks like I'll have to get my name changed! But glad that the report helped...

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

rauhbautz
21st April 2011, 23:19
While reading "The Princes of Darkness", I found a photo on page 127 that claims to be of the Bf-110G "office" of A/C of Egmont Prinz sur Lippe-Weissenfeld. You might check it out.
Regards,
Bob