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Larry Hickey
8th October 2012, 20:58
Hello,

In the photo section of Alfred Price's excellent book, "Battle of Britain Day: 15 September 1940," is a photo of BO Uffz Theodor Rehm and crew photographed after return to Beauvais following noon attack on London. Plane reportedly had 47 bullet hits.

We have this incident in our EoE Luft Loss DB as:

"September 15, 1940: 2./KG76 Dornier Do17Z. Returned damaged by fighters during sortie to London Docks 12.15 p.m. and landed with port main wheel punctured. FF Uffz [ ] Hanke, BO Uffz Theodor Rehm and rest of crew believed unhurt. Aircraft damage state not recorded. (Price)

My questions:

a) Can anyone supply the first name of Uffz Hanke?

b) Can anyone identify there other members of the crew besides Uffz Rehm in the photo in the book? I presume that Hanke is one of the four men pictured.

c) Can anyone supply the W.Nr. and a/c code of Hanke's Do17Z that day?

d) Can anyone supply photos of this a/c during its service with the unit or after it was damaged in this incident?

Any help here would be appreciated.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Chris Goss
8th October 2012, 22:28
I have Rehm's KG 76 loss list and Hanke's christian name is not listed, albeit it is not mentioned on 15 Sep 40 but 18 Aug 40. There was a Georg Hanke on 6/KG 76 though

Larry Hickey
8th October 2012, 23:17
Chris,

What is "Rehm's KG76 loss list" Is that an NVM or some other kind of documentation? Are the other crewmen listed, plane code or W.Nr., or any details of the mission? If so, I'd certainly appreciate at copy.

Georg Hanke sounds like a serious prospect for "Hanke." Was an an Uffz?

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Chris Goss
9th October 2012, 07:52
Rehm was in charge if the KG 76 Association & produced a personnel loss list for operations over UK. It listed names not ac details & must have been produced via WASt. I have seen no other list for any other campaign. Hanke was a Fw in 1942

Larry Hickey
9th October 2012, 08:43
Chris,

Thanx. Any idea whether a history of KG76 is in the works by anyone?

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Chris Goss
9th October 2012, 08:56
I think it was Rehm's intention but he is no longer with us. I will be picking up material from Alfred Price next week so maybe there is something there-I will tell you

Spanferkel
10th October 2012, 00:12
All -

Georg Hanke was an Unteroffizier in September of 1940 however I have him attached to the Ergangzung Staffel Kampfgeschwader 76 on the date in question.

Could he have been temporarily attached to 2 Staffel? Also if you have a photo of the crew I may be able to confirm Hanke (Georg) in the picture.

My information comes from Georg Hankes Wehrpas.

Regards
Jeremy

Spanferkel
10th October 2012, 00:21
I found the photo of Rehm's and his crew on Amazon. The photo is not really that clear but the flyer on the left could very well be Georg Hanke.

Hanke appeared to have somewhat unruly hair and I have shots of his feldmutze propped on his head and sticking out slightly on the sides similar to the flyer on the left.

Below is a link to my website illustrating the beginning of my research on Hanke. If this proves to be Georg Hanke this is a great piece of information!!

http://aufhimmelzuhause.com/id143.htm

Regards
Jeremy

Chris Goss
18th October 2012, 08:12
I now have photos of KG 76 on 15 sep 40. Hanke' s ac was EK & I have photos of Figge' s JK in a field 8 km nw of Poix

Larry Hickey
18th October 2012, 08:29
Chris,

Great news; I assume this is the result of your AP project. Does any of the data with this give Hanke's first name? Georg? I appreciate the more precise location for Figge's FL.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Chris Goss
18th October 2012, 10:56
Larry: No christian names I am afraid and I am still not convinced about Georg Hanke based on Jeremy's wehrpass

Larry Hickey
18th October 2012, 19:21
Chris,

I haven't yet accepted Georg as Hanke's first (christian) name yet. Like you, I think that it's just too much of a stretch right now to accept his as confirmed.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Chris Goss
18th October 2012, 22:05
On the reverse of the photo (which reads left to right Rehm, Eikelmann, Hanke & Schulz) it states that Hanke was killed later which means it was not Georg Hanke-perhaps Matti can now help?

Larry Hickey
18th October 2012, 22:51
Chris,

Thanks for the caption to go with the photo. Is there a similar caption with the Niebler crew photo?

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Khorat
19th October 2012, 00:29
There are dozens of aircrew named Hanke lost (KIA, MIA, WIA) 1939 - 1945, but non of them from KG 76 (when he was KIA, WIA or MIA). In our database we had around 40 people named Hanke - Fighter, Destroyer, Bomber, Transporter, Recce, etc.

khorat

Matti Salonen
19th October 2012, 07:50
I have no suitable Hanke killed. However, here might be your man:
1938-09-27, I/KG 158, Do 17, 53+D11, 400 m nördlich Steinabrückl bei Wiener-Neustadt, Um 09.45 Uhr Aufschlag infolge Motorstörung und Brand. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ogfr Hanke, Hans-Joachim, verletzt
Beobachter Uffz Kalbfleisch, Fritz, verletzt
Bordfunker Gefr Schätzle, Augustin, verletzt

I/KG 158 became I/KG 76, which makes this connection very likely.
Unfortunately no info on the final fate of this Hanke.

Matti

Larry Hickey
19th October 2012, 08:04
Matti,

Good find. Thanx! Can anyone now confirm the name of a bomber pilot named Uffz Hans-Joachim Hanke who served with I./KG76 in September 1940? Does this name appear on any fatality list later in the war? He was reported in a photo caption to have been killed during the war. We may be getting close here.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Khorat
19th October 2012, 08:30
List of Pilots named Hanke:

Uffz, Wilhelm Hanke WIA 13.03.1941 I./KG 2
Fw. Josef Hanke KIA 11. 12. 1943 8./ZG 26
Uffz. Heinz Hanke unhurt 10.01.1942 7./JG 1
Hptm. Helmut Hanke MIA 10.02.1942 6./KG 4
Lt. Walter Hanke KIA 28.11.1942 7./ZG 1
Uffz. Erwin Hanke WIA 20.06.1943 4./JG 26
Uffz. Heinz Hanke MIA 18.09.1943 2.(F)/A,Gr. 123
Uffz. Paul Hanke, MIA 30.05.1944 3./LG 1
Oblt. Jürgen Hanke unhurt 07.06.1944 5./KG 40

Thats all we had (position Flugzeugführer)

Khorat
Michael Balss

Chris Goss
19th October 2012, 08:57
...and nobody with that name figures on the VDK site. However, on 8 Dec 41, Fw Hans-Joachim Hanke, a pilot, was awarded the Ehrenpokal. This looks more promising and perhaps Rehm meant he died after the war (or was mistaken)

Matti Salonen
19th October 2012, 09:17
Please note, that I have in my database mainly persons, who have been involved in aircraft crash. Others, especially after summer 1943 (when GQM quit reporting other, than aircraft losses), are mostly missing. Therefore, this Hanke could have been killed for some other reason - bombing on ground, infantry attack, road accident, shooting accident, disease etc.
Maybe someday we'll find his final fate.

Matti

Larry Hickey
19th October 2012, 19:50
Hello,

It would seem that between Matti and Chris we've pretty well gotten this one resolved. Thanx to everyone who has contributed!

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE project Coordintor

steve sheridan
19th October 2012, 21:05
Hi, can we now say for sure that the two unnamed members of Hanke's crew on 15.9.40 are Eikelmann and Schulz. Are the ranks and christian names known?

Best regs,
Steve.

Chris Goss
20th October 2012, 10:13
Fw & Uffz and no christian names unless Matti has a link with anything 2/KG 76 post Jun 41. Trouble is no mention with Ehrenpokal or other awards and Schulz is very common

Matti Salonen
20th October 2012, 11:26
There is no Eikelmann in my database. However, I think, that there is a typo in the name, and correct person can be found here:
1941-09-14, 8./KG 76, Ju 88A-4, (88)8534, F1+ES, Legmitten bei Heiligenbeil, Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit Ju 88A-4, Werk.-Nr. 888520, F1+AS. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Schanze, Werner, +
Bombenschütze Uffz Pirzer, Hans, +
Bordfunker Uffz Rother, Alfred, +
1.Wart Fw Palm, Erich, +
Bordschütze Ofw Eickelmann, Friedrich, +

For Schulz, who should be Bordfunker, I have two possibilities:
Uffz Erich Schulz, who was in 7./KG 76 in July, 1942 and Fw Herbert Schulz, who was in 2./KG 76 in March 1943. Maybe the last one fits better?

Matti

steve sheridan
21st October 2012, 13:02
Thank you Chris and Matti.

Best regs,
Steve.

steve sheridan
22nd October 2012, 23:11
Hi Matti just out of curiosity, were there any casualties from the crew of W.Nr 888520 in the collision with Lt Schanze's a/c?

Best regs,
Steve.

Matti Salonen
23rd October 2012, 08:03
1941-09-14, 8./KG 76, Ju 88A-4, (88)8520, F1+AS, Legnitten bei Heiligenbeil, Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit Ju 88A-4, Werk.-Nr. (88)8534, F1+ES. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Fw Wolter, Karl, +
Bombenschütze Fw Lörcher, Hans, +
Bordfunker Uffz Faulstich, Martin, +
1.Wart Uffz Hirblinger (oder Hierblinger), Franz, +
Bordschütze Ogfr Folgmann, Karl, +

Matti

steve sheridan
23rd October 2012, 12:09
Morning Matti, thats very good of you.
Kindest regs,
Steve.