11th October 1944 Auster loss

[Alex Smart]

Details of an Auster lost killing all on board in Europe on the 11th October 1944.

Alex

[Laurent Rizzotti]

No such crash for American light planes in rear aera. I have the following:

UC-78 43-7767* 82ABD Y65 9 Ground Looped 4 McKellar, George (NMI) BEL St Trond/A-92
L-4B 43-963 Hq 9 Take Off Accident 3 Crabtree, Norman V BEL Verviers [IX TAC LS]
UC-64A 44-70267 390SrS 74SrG A80 9 Ground Looped 3 Knowles, Kenneth M FRA Juvincourt/A-68
L-4H 43-29851 59LS 61LG 483 9 Taxiing ACcident 4 Coats, John M ENG Barkston Heath/Sta 483

In all these cases, the pilot survived

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Well, I have another possible candidate

Piper L-4B Grasshopper 43-622 condemned due to damage Oct 11, 1944

No more details

[John Manrho]

Laurent, do you have a loss on 1.1.45 in the Metz area?

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Only a P-47 doing a crash-landing in Metz on New Day 45

Most of the above list is from the USAAF Overseas accident report list available on the Web:

http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/AARmonthly/Jan1945O.htm

Replace Jan1945 by the month you're interested in.

I'm working currenlty only on October 1944 and is gathering data over airlosses, but only in this time period.

[Alex Smart]

Thanks for the input.

This was an RAF/RCAF Loss from 443 Squadron.
The a/c was found in the Deurne area burnt out.

F/O L.P.E.Piche and F/O A.J.Horrell were both killed.

The only one that I think fits is Auster V NJ669 that in Air Brit NA100-NZ999 is noted as SOC on the 11-10-44 with 127 Wg.

Any other info welcome as someone else has said thet it was a captured Bu131 that they were in.

Alex

[Laurent Rizzotti]

For RAF/RCAF losses, try the RAF Commands forum:

http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi

Some people here have extensive loss data

[Alex Smart]

Hi,

YES THANKS FOR THAT LINK

I HAVE TRIED TIL I AM BLUE IN THE FACE TO SEND QUESTIONS AND ALSO TO REPLY TO OTHERS QUESTIONS ON THAT WEBSITE

ALL THAT I GET IS THE RESPONCE THAT I AM NOT ALOWED TO .

I ONCE CONTACTED ROSS AND HIS REPLY WAS TO THE EFFECT THAT IT WAS DUE TO MY FIREWALL PROTECTION, BUT I KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT I SHOULD DO EXCEPT ALTER THAT SETTING WHICH I DID, INDEED SWITCHED IT OFF COMPLETELY- RESULT STILL COULD NOT POST TO THAT FORUM

RESULT GAVE UP TRYING.

ALEX

[Laurent Rizzotti]

OK, I posted it at your place on this forum. I'm also interested in this loss now.

[Alex Smart]

thanks Laurent

[Alex Smart]

Hi,

F/O Horrell was from Ontario and left a widow

F/O Piche I think may have been an American as his widow lived in New London in the USA

These details from the CWG pages.

Both airmen are at rest in Venray War Cemetry

Alex

[Laurent Rizzotti]

You're welcome.

According to Mr Henk Welting, on RAF Commands forum:

"Auster NJ669 (127 Wing) on a ferry flight from B.82 (Grave/Keent, Holland) to B.70 (Deurne/Antwerp, Belgium). Strayed off course and was shot down by AA-fire or light flak. Crashed near the farms of Fleurkens & Jeurissen along the Deurneseweg (name of a road) at Ysselsteyn, province Noord-Brabant, Holland. Both airmen were 443 Sqdn and are buried Venray War Cem.
Hope this info helps, have a good weekend,"