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https://i.ibb.co/kSZynMm/Fw-190-266.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-ARM...UAAOSwLAlfc9g3

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Great set of photos, excellent find Marc!

Presume the Fw 190 was also one of NSG.9's?

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The time and place would suggest it but since the machine's unmarked (as far as I can see) we can't be certain.

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Hello!

Steve Sheflin, Marc anyone. In previous page there was interesting Bf 109 G-10 photo (page 100, post #3961)

Years ago I started thread Peter Düttmann and his "wonderful bird" Bf 109 G-10 WNr 610533

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=10423

Is this the very same plane?? Is the WNr ...533 or ...583?


Cheers,
Kari

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Dear Kari,

I have noted it as W.Nr. 610583 thanks to John McIllmurray who forwarded me this information 26 September 2018.

Further, I can only confirm the prior loss of W.Nr. 610533, 8 March 1945 with its pilot Ofhr Rudolf Plöderl MIA.

Cheers
Marc

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Salut!

I think W.Nr. 610583 it is as the W.Nr. 610533 was 100% loss (as I had found in my old thread).

Mystery solved, merci Marc!

Kari

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https://i.ibb.co/3W0T6bY/Fw-190-267.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/JQpJ6nt/Fw-190-268.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WW...UAAOSwA1tfdm3t

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https://i.ibb.co/whn774M/Me-262-156.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Avi...EAAOSwcNJfdnZ7

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The rear side of the previous photo. Allegedly, the pilot died of "heart failure". I guess, a well aimed shot does cause "heart failure".

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GJoAA...4I/s-l1600.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/TRD5Jkk/Ju-88-362.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...QAAOSwLGRfeLOS

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https://i.ibb.co/dpKmm7x/wrecks-118.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wrecked-Cra...cAAOSwuwdfePTQ

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https://i.ibb.co/gw0fGqb/Ju-87-135.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...wAAOSwMltfejSL

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https://i.ibb.co/WVDLZfL/Bf-109-420.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...AAAOSwhC1fejWr

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https://i.ibb.co/7tr6PK9/unk-075.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...gAAOSwY0BfejVH

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He 280 V7 D-IEXM, found dismantled at Ansbach, May 1945:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasma...s/46649065811/

Cheers
Marc

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https://i.ibb.co/2gFcrBp/Ju-87-136.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/wwii-German...QAAOSwMwNfen7w

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https://i.ibb.co/twG8BDk/Ju-52-131.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Hi...IAAOSwGz9fepsn

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https://i.ibb.co/0YrshG3/Bf-109-421.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Hi...gAAOSwNkhfepvd

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https://i.ibb.co/pWyc70c/Me-410-018.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Hi...8AAOSw9YdfepxY

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Location could be Ansbach too, like He 280 V7 "D-IEXM", offered by the same seller. If so, we have an Erla built Bf 109 G-14 from EKG(J). This ID is consistent with other machines found there and captured on color film: https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631648762963/

Cheers
Marc

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NT+CB is Me 210A-0 WNr 110058, rebuilt as Me 410 in 1942 at Mtt Augsburg-Haunstetten. Used by Mtt for high-speed diving trials, diverse reinforcements for 750 km/h Nachweisflüge in Jan.43

Regards
RolandF

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I am looking at the He-111 photos. The one photo is cropped, and the other is not.
It does appear under a 30x loupe, a power pole with phone/telegraph lines on insulators in the middle of the Y on top. Pole is two colored, is that a typical power pole for the period?

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https://i.ibb.co/kqZxwj0/types-289.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-GI-...QAAOSwHuVffQ0W

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https://i.ibb.co/zhQGByT/types-290.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Original...8AAOSwG-dfe-kb

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Tail with wrknr 230459 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sn...kAAOSw1u5ffHLV

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Out of curiosity, there is a clear discrepancy in size between 230 (rudder) and 459 (fin).

Does this mean the actual rudder has been replaced?

Cheers
Stig

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Hello Stig,
I found thirteen other examples of ATG-Leipzig-built Ju 188 Ds in the 230xxx series with the same WNr. form, i.e., the first three digits (maker ID) are applied approximately 1/3 smaller than the last three, and they are divided between the fin and rudder. I think it was purposeful.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Thanks Steve

Very interesting. Yes, sounds like they did it on purpose, but I cannot figure out a reason.....

Cheers
Stig

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The 140 … series Arado 234 was much the same.

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Same with the Ju 388L by ATG-Leipzig

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Thanks Guys

Anyone who can come up with a reason?

Cheers
Stig

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For quick identification of a plane on the ground, the last three digits were more important?

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You mean like a quick reminder, when talking/writing about the aircraft you only need to mention the last three digits?

Hmmm, well at least it's an idea.....

Cheers
Stig

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Maybe....

The rudders were produced elsewere and all got the number for the Wnr series 123xxx, they could then be fitted to any of the airframes wich got the 3 final numer for the Wnr serie.

Just a guess

Peter

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Further to your query, and as to the possible reason for this practice, another photo of W.Nr. 230 459 found by Michael Balss is even more intriguing : http://www.americanairmuseum.com/med...8yGmClPZb6RTVU

You can clearly see there was another W.Nr. (?) 581 painted at the base of the tail... I'm at a loss here.

Cheers
Marc

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Yes, that’s it. I’ve seen strength reports in ULTRA that list aircraft like this: “4 Bf 109 G-6: 160750, 751, 752, 753” (not from a real message, just an illustration of how they were sometimes written when there several in the same series).

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To Marc,

"581" is the grouping of the first 3 digits of a 4-digit manufacturer's number as opposed to the RLM W.Nr. These appear on a number of Ju 188s. I have seen references to manufacturer's numbers in addition to RLM W.Nr. for at least one other type.

ArtieBob

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Hello Marc and everyone,
I’ve posted on this before, but the numerals seen on some Ju 188 D-2’s below Werknummern on their tails (or in the case of Ju 188 A-3 LT’s, on their noses), are not WNrn. Rather, they are a codex (my designation) that was applied when the airframes were modified. The codex on Ju 188 D-2, WNr. 230459 (Post #4035), was 5581.
Other examples found on ATG-Leipzig-built Ju 188 D-2 near WNr. 230459 include:
230405 = 5679 D
230424 = 5747
230447 = 5588 D
230756 = 5224 D2 U3
Examples found on Siebel-Halle-built Ju 188 A-3 (LT) include:
190312 = 5222 S A3
190317 = 5309 A3 S
190319 = 5180 A3 S
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Dear ArtieBob and Steve,

Much indebted for your enlightening comments. This is now clear for me. Thanks again and Cheers

Marc

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https://i.ibb.co/vZpSN4z/wrecks-119.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...oAAOSwqDJffzrA