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cproyston 15th September 2020 22:54

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Well I guess what I meant was whatever the dark green that used to be known as RLM83, and that was used in combination with RLM75, particularly on these prefabricated tail assemblies, is now called. :)
cheers,
Chris

edit - found it, Don, please substitute my (erroneous) RLM83 above with a ‘Dark Green RLM81 variation’

Smith 15th September 2020 23:53

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks Chris & Franck

Marc-André Haldimann 11th October 2020 17:28

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
And for today's eye's pleasure,

this original scan from the negative made by Lt. C. J. Woods, 4 May 1945, at Bad Zwischenhahn from an Erla built Bf 109 G-10 in its typical late war low visibility two green splinter scheme.It is already published since 1989 by Carl Hildebrandt in his Broken Eagles, p. 4. Any ideas for its W.Nr. ?

Current archive: C. J. Woods. Army Numerical, Northwest Europe. Department of National Defence. Library and Archives Canada, e999917495-u /

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lac-ba...-oreTUf-obM8jT

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 13th October 2020 08:39

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Gang,

We know of "Schwarze 7", seen at Hildesheim thanks to this photo offered on eBay 11 June 2018:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7687193053794/

Two new photos of "Schwarze 7" are on offer currently. The skin damage pattern ascertains this is indeed the same machine, as found at Fl.Pl. Hildesheim:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...2/274531706474
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...9/274531704978

Though quite frustrating as no W.Nr. can be seen, we have IMHO an Erla built Bf 109 G-14 sporting a camouflage pattern seen on the W.Nr. 463xxx - 464xxx block.

The Technical intelligence Report no A-371 dated 7 May 1945 reports 48 airframes at Fl.Pl. Hildesheim, inspected 29 April 1945. Among them are five Erla built Bf 109 G-14's:
- W.Nr. 463178
- W.Nr. 464062
- W.Nr. 464248
- W.Nr. 464266
- W.Nr. 464337

As no tactical markings were recorded, there is no way knowing which machine is seen on those three photos, alas. As for the unit, 6./, 7./ and 8./JG 105 were all based at Hildesheim until disbanded 15 March 1945. There is thus a reasonable assumption "Schwarze 7" with its II Gruppe bar is a 6./JG 105 plane.

Marc-André Haldimann 13th October 2020 16:27

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks to new evidences brought to my attention by Mato Lion,

We now know conclusively the above mentioned plane is actually Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150853 "Schwarze 7".

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 13th October 2020 23:08

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Report A-371 cited by Michael Balss says a G-10, WNr.150853 was found at Fl.Pl. Hildesheim. That's all.
All Gustav of JG105 accidented at this place belonged to 7. Staffel.
On 4/02/1945 II./JG105 was transfered to Stab JG103 and disbanded on 15/03/1945.
Last, I'm not convinced II./JG105 got Bf 109 G-10s ... But why not?
Regards,
Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 14th October 2020 08:15

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Franck,

Indeed, the G-10 trail seems to be a cold one as revealed by another photo made by Charlie Lewett, RAF, in 1945. This other photo does reveal a left rear-engine curved panel... An Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS makes more sense from all those features - though we don't have any registered at Hildesheim.

As for the parent unit, I concur about 7./JG 105 losses, to which we can add also two 8./JG 105 losses whilst based at Hildesheim, W.Nr. 464264 on 16 Feb. 45 and W.Nr. 412667 on 19 Feb 45.

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 14th October 2020 20:28

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 295955)
Hi there Franck,
...
An Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS makes more sense from all those features - though we don't have any registered at Hildesheim.
...
Cheers
Marc


What about 163642 :D ? A batch of Regensburg made with a lot of G-6/AS ...

Marc-André Haldimann 15th October 2020 09:59

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 295997)
What about 163642 :D ? A batch of Regensburg made with a lot of G-6/AS ...

Good point, Franck; "Bodenberührung" is a fitting description for this airframe indeed.

Thanks !
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 19th October 2020 17:00

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks to Spektor, over on modelforum.cz, today's mystery, at least for me: this photo of an utterly wrecked Bf 109 G or K is said to have been photographed 14 February 1945 at Holbaek, Denmark.
https://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/199302
https://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/199303

After having checked flensted.eu, there is no known loss that day. Any hint would be highly appreciated

Cheers
Marc


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