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An interesting "Henkel" :)

Check out Nick Beale's (et all) Air War Italy 1944-45 page 133.

Cheers
Stig

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Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 297124)

https://i.ibb.co/99WvHst/Bf-109-438.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Soldier-...sAAOSwnNVfoweI

Both photos already offered 12 October 2020; the scans are better this time.

Cheers
Marc

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Dear all,
Can anyone identify the downed 109 in the attached photograph.
The photo is part of Alan Walter Gears photo album.
Kind regards
Gerry

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Originally Posted by gedburke3 (Post 297134)

Dear all,
Can anyone identify the downed 109 in the attached photograph.
The photo is part of Alan Walter Gears photo album.
Kind regards
Gerry

Dear Gerry,

This is an Mtt built Bf 109 G-6/Trop operated by JG 53. The W.Nr. is chalked on the upward pointing propeller blade, possibly reading W.Nr. 16543. It certainly ascertains an Mtt built G-6; given the W.Nr. range, this photo was taken during his time in Sicily or Southern Italy during Summer 43.

Cheers
Marc

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Hi Marc,
Thank you very much for your help, I appreciate it.
Kind regards
Gerry

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Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 297140)

Dear Gerry,

The W.Nr. is chalked on the upward pointing propeller blade, possibly reading W.Nr. 16543.
Cheers
Marc

Detail of the blade attached after some processing. I'll leave others to decide what the number is!

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Gerry,
you're most welcome !

Nick,
thanks for your processed blade detail. W.Nr. 16343 seems a fair possibility too. Alas no information on that particular machine to my knowledge.

Cheers
Marc

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Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 297140)

Thanks Gerry for this pic.
This said, 16543 was effectively captured as attested by the following picture. Source unknown (to not say eBay)
Cheers,
Franck.

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 297161)

Thanks Gerry for this pic.
This said, 16543 was effectively captured as attested by the following picture. Source unknown (to not say eBay)
Cheers,
Franck.

The watermark in the upper left is for the Smithsonian/NASM in the USA.

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Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 297165)

Can it be the "white 15"?
https://me109.info/web.php?a=e&l=en&n=ua&f=2065

It can very well be "white 15" !!!
You're good this week David. ;)
Regards,
Franck.

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Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 297165)

Can it be the "white 15"?
https://me109.info/web.php?a=e&l=en&n=ua&f=2065

Falcon, you're convincing. Check though the curvature of the engine cowling on the color photo: not the same plane...

Regards
Marc

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 297173)

It can very well be "white 15" !!!
You're good this week David. ;)
Regards,
Franck.

Interesting evolution: we had "Weisse 15" since December 2014 as W.Nr. 18199, captured at Foggia. If only one period photo would show the left side of the tail, to match skin damage...

Cheers
Marc

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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/attach...1&d=1604651207

Hmmm... and this, Marc? IHMO it looks very similar. And the more damaged cowling can also be the result of the rudely transport to the States?!

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Ok, its a hard puzzle... and I like to stay on visual facts...
Notice the dark dirt/damage between the air scoope and the "Pik As". Very clear, or?
You got the "white 15" as WNr. 18199, based on what facts? I think you can change it now. ;-)
Greetings my friends... thanks to Nick, Franck and Marc and to Gerry for the photos.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/attach...1&d=1604652325

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Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 297181)

The prop blades have the same damage/bend in them.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...87c39c13_o.png

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The Me 262's are at Fassberg after they flew in to surrender.

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Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 297176)

Interesting evolution: we had "Weisse 15" since December 2014 as W.Nr. 18199, captured at Foggia. If only one period photo would show the left side of the tail, to match skin damage...

Cheers
Marc

You had, not me.

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Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 297181)

Anyway, 18199 was a JG77 machine ;)

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Thank you all for your replies.
Unfortunately that was the only photograph of German aircraft in the album so I can't add any more.
Regards
Gerry

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Originally Posted by gedburke3 (Post 297251)

Thank you all for your replies.
Unfortunately that was the only photograph of German aircraft in the album so I can't add any more.
Regards
Gerry

Most welcome, Gerry. Collective knowledge is crucial, as always.
One last question on my side: any way to know where this photo was taken in Italy ?

Cheers
Marc

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Hi Marc,
I'm sorry but the album has no further information relating to the location.
I wish that I could help you more.
Regards
Gerry

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Originally Posted by Revi16 (Post 297205)

I think this is AE479.
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...ma-jpg.283987/
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...02-jpg.439452/

Very interesting. I have AE 479 as a E-3 WNr 1304. At least the tail unit seems to originate from WNr 1980, a E-4 also from Erla.

Regards
RolandF

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