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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by RolandF (Post 297287)

Very interesting. I have AE 479 as a E-3 WNr 1304. At least the tail unit seems to originate from WNr 1980, a E-4 also from Erla.

Regards
RolandF

Very interesting for sure! Are US/UK documents known, where the WNr. 1304 is written for the AE 479.

Currently I want to say, that we got two different planes.
E-3 WNr. 1304
https://me109.info/display.php?a=e&l=en&fid=6193

E-4 WNr. 1980
https://me109.info/display.php?a=e&l=en&fid=7418

Who has loss informations for the WNr. 1980?

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 297321)

Some 1304 info here, but nothing on 1980.
http://silverhawkauthor.com/axis-war...t-iii_566.html

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 297321)

Indeed.
1304 didn't have the WNr. at that position. There's a bug, somewhere.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Gents,

Post #4132 shows the Ju 88 G-1 "3C+FL" WNr.712186 of 3./I./NJG 4 at Bernburg. Compare with the photos below: matching open panel under the nose, camouflage netting hanging from the FuG 220 antenna, and camouflage pattern on the nose.

Best,

David

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Originally Posted by David E. Brown (Post 297773)

Hi David,

'sorry to be pedantic but 712186 was not with I./NJG4 when the photo was taken, even although it retained that Gruppe's tactical markings. 712186 3C+FL was struck off I./NJG4 strength on 11 January 1945 and allocated to Junkers Bernburg. On that date, I./NJG4 also struck off unit strength 710546, 712208, 712368, 714402, 714523, and 714809, while a further 17 G1 airframes were recorded as ready to transfer (to Bernburg) but still on unit strength.

Cheers

Rod

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Nd some of these planes were retained to build the lower part of by Wn known Misteln

Rémi

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Rod,

I appreciate the clarifications. My comments should have stated “ex-JG 4”.

Many thanks,

David

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by David E. Brown (Post 297904)

Rod,

I appreciate the clarifications. My comments should have stated “ex-JG 4”.

Many thanks,

David

Hi David, you're welcome.

Although many of the daily NJG4 strength & serviceability returns are missing from ULTRA in the critical period between 11 January - 24 February 1945 (critical because it looks like NJG4 became a 'clearing house' for Ju88G1s destined for Bernburg and Mistel conversion), what information is available shows the following G1s transferred from the Gruppen of NJG4 to Junkers Bernburg between 11 January - 24 February 1945: 710546, 712186, 712208, 712368, 714402, 714523, 714809, 714664, 712389, 713535, 714252, 714515, 714602, 714797, 710571, 710684, 714207, 714368, 714675, 714835, 710557, 712207, and 712246.

I./NJG4 (established strength 40 a/c), for example, reached an peak actual strength of 51 a/c (on 3 February) during these transfers of G1s in and out of the Gruppe. The day following the last noted transfers to Bernburg on 24 February 1945, the actual strength returned to a more normal 29 a/c.

Cheers

Rod

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Post #4145: that photo has featured on TOCH before, with identical staining. It's D3+D_ of NSG 2. I can't see a fourth letter in the code. Interesting camouflage.

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Hi Nick,
Other photos show it as D3+DL.
Steve Sheflin

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This photo above (part of a series) was made by Soviet war photographer, Yevgheniy Khaldey. It's available on the net, in several places.

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Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád (Post 298058)

This photo above (part of a series) was made by Soviet war photographer, Yevgheniy Khaldey. It's available on the net, in several places.

Further to this photo, we see, among others, MWG built Bf 109 Ga-6 W.Nr. 760 070. All those planes were found at Johannistal/Adlerhof in late April 1945.

Source: photo Evgueni Khaldei via russiainfoto.ru.

Cheers
Marc

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This is one of those photos which was printed multiple times and distributed amongst those serving in the Western Desert.

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Originally Posted by Steve Coates (Post 298099)

This is one of those photos which was printed multiple times and distributed amongst those serving in the Western Desert.

And appears on e-bay, again and again.... :)
Stig

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Plus, I don't understand how can a seller charge £14.39 for delivery from the UK to a European country.

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Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 298120)

https://i.ibb.co/gZR4qrb/Bf-109-444.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Loaded-Sold...UAAOSw~8FfmGXy

What am I looking at here, wing cannon, square engine intake, an E model that made it to the end of the war?

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by Revi16 (Post 298132)

What am I looking at here, wing cannon, square engine intake, an E model that made it to the end of the war?

Impossible to be sure but it looks to me more like the barrel has a perforated sleeve for air-cooling, so maybe an MG rather than a cannon?

Also, the transplanted panel from another machine makes an interesting "new" Balkenkreuz.