Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of Farman HF.20 of 3 Squadron RFC at


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225905075...8AAOSwoHZlcII1


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of Farman MF.7 MF85


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/186252665893...oAAOSwRudlo~D2


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/186252667442...0AAOSwWJNlo~FT


and also a photo of a British operated S.7


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225944634...EAAOSw24Jlluqy


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of what may be the Farman MF.2 designed for the 1911 Concours Militaire. Then again I'm unsure.



https://www.ebay.fr/itm/134970440228...Bk9SR9Cgi6rEYw


The same seller has a number of photos of prewar french aircraft, a bit o/t admittedly as they are civilian,but in case of interest they're here:


https://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_dkr=...9poque&_sop=10


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Excellent find Clint

With regard to the MF.2 I always thought it was a hydroplane and (now guessing) I think this
is actually a regular MF.7 with a serial number MF2 on the fin.

With regard to the other photos I found them very interesting (thanks) and I have spent far too
long time verifying them in my books. Luckily most were correctly identified although a few needed
correction.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Well Stig, this is a tricky one. As you'll note from my post I felt some doubt that it was a Farman MF.2. BTW, the hydroplane you reference is the MF.II,of a which based on the caption in Opdycke also existed as a landplane.But the MF.2 was also landplane based on Opdycke.


Still I agree that the machine under my link is quite possibly not the. MF.2. Here's a question for you.Do you see the MF on 'my' link as being prededed by a C,so C-MF.2? The reason I'm asking is that Kees has a photo on his site described as an MF.6 bis marked C M-F 6. Now that doesn't mean at all that your identity of MF.2 (or C MF.2 as the case may be) as an MF.7,isn't correct. It may well be as I don't think these early marking reflect the order in which Farman might have produced the machines,so a MF.7 might easily have preceded the MF.6 bis as C MF.2 and C M-F.7 respectively. Here anyway is the link to Kees' photo


https://www.flickr.com/photos/varese...7645709608581/



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Well Clint

The early Farman aircraft (by both brothers) are extremely difficult to understand.
To be honest I don't think anyone really knows what was what and if Farman did keep
some kind of records, they went down the drain when the Germans arrived in 1940!

The pioneer Jean Liron utterly failed in his Docavia book to make any sense at all of the period
1908 - 1919.

My next source G Hartmann (not Erich :D ) is not much better and what everyone else call
Type MF.2 he calls MF.3 and so on.

When it comes to the photo at Kees site you will notice I already back then questioned the
designation MF.6bis. Just because the aircraft is marked C MF6 does not mean
it was a Type MF.6 (or MF.6bis and by the way if we have a MF.6bis, what was a regular MF.6)?
Unless someone can provide a documented proof what this myriad of haphazard designations
actually were (and the differences between them) I stick to my own theories.
Unfortunately this Clément guy didn't take the bait and explained what he actually knew.....

It would be very pleasing to know why, for instance, the MF.II and MF.2 were two different designs
and what the difference was and also why Maurice decided to use Roman digits on one type
and regular ones on the next.

So for instance what was the MF.3, MF.4, MF.5, MF.6, MF.8, MF.9 and MF.10? :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Speaking of confusingly captioned Farmans,this Japanese machine is captioned as a Farman III by the seller. I guess that would be a reference to the same machine for which Davilla and Soltan suggest HF Type C. Im any event the machine in the photo is not that machine. While by no means certain, I think this may be a Army Type Mo


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315213784...Bk9SR6yY64LFYw


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Nice find Clint

It is a Mo-1913, or Rikugun Mo-Shiki 1913 Gata Renchû-ki, if you prefer the long version :)

According to Baeza, Japan imported 4 MF.7 (No 1 - 4) and built 27.
This one was built by Tokyo Rikugun Hôheikosho

Cheers
Stig