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Hi,
some clarifications:

1. first registry was D-ADBX, it's just unclear to me, if it really was also assigned to Lufthansa. It would be plausible and consistent, as Lufthansa did order this series.

2. the StKz PF+UR was given to this He111G, WNr.3365, probabely when assigned to F.d.F..

3. the double assignement of StKz PF+UR also to He111H, WNr.3229 is not necessarily a contradiction. It is something that happened and is documented in a multitude of cases, sometimes with totaly different planes from diffent companies involved.

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Thanks ChristianK ! Much appreciated

Cheers
Marc

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A sad Bf 110 and a pile of Ar 96's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-2-Rar...MAAOSw4R1ZzEln

Forlorn and snowed in Fw 190's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...0AAOSwPUpZzX1w

Cheers
Marc

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http://www.ebay.de/itm/2Wk-Foto-Flug...oAAOSwkjNZrlwm

unit?

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II./JG 6, Erfurt Nord, after surrender.

Cheers
Marc

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Me110http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Ger...sAAOSwUY1ZzRKZ

Me110
eehttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-German-Plane-Original-WWII-Photo-3/112581111939?hash=item1a365b7083%3Ag%3ADJsAAOSwUY1 ZzRKZ
eehttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-German-Plane-Original-WWII-Photo-2-/172890528680?hash=item2841141ba8:g:xUMAAOSw4AdZzRI 0

Ju88 Nightfighter
eehttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-German-Night-Fighter-Planes-Original-WWII-Photo-/112581105393?hash=item1a365b56f1:g:QugAAOSwBO1ZzRA 5

Bf109 and italian wreck

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Ger...gAAOSw2zFZzQz3

Ju188 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Ger...sAAOSwpOBZzRGJ

Reichenberg Re IV (Fi 103) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Ger...oAAOSwlHBZzRMv

me110 tail units in factory wrknr visible http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Ger...kAAOSw3d5ZzQpB

On the front left is Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 16 407 "Gelbe 6", 3./JG 53, La Marsa, Tunisia, May 1943. On the right is Bf 109 G-4/R6 W.Nr. 15 138 "Gelbe 9", same unit. This picture, cut in two different frames, is published in WOTBC 5, p. 2.

Cheers
Marc

Those machines were found at Braunschweig, May 1945.

Cheers
Marc

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Thanks Marc, anything on the Reichenberg Re IV? seems like a display of sorts, and isnt that a Bf109 with RAF markings at the right hand side?

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RAE Farnborough - Exhibition of German Aircraft.

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You're welcome, Michiel. And sorry, nothing about the Reichenberg...


Cheers
Marc

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Me 262, Erfurt, May 1945.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/LW-Foto-Jet-F...UAAOSw5WRZ1TJl

Bf109 on train see also #391 http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Era-5x4-...UAAOSwgkxZ0uMe

Ju88 in England http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILITARY-pho...wAAOSw9kxZ1ZCZ

Prob right but the set up for the planes is different then on pictures.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/austin...746434/detail/

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Bf 109 train, near Frankfurt, 30 March 1945.

Cheers
Marc

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Confirmation that Reichenberg Re IV (Fi 103) is at RAE Farnborough - Exhibition of German Aircraft.Attachment 15677

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So were have the Ju188 gone then? But as said Farnborough most likely.

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Me 262 WNr 111691

Regards,
Rudi.

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Fi 156:
https://seeq5g.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Br...19.m1438.l2649
Ju 88 ??+KY :
https://sefgzw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-US...19.m1438.l2649

Ju 52 :
https://sehhqw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Br...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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Hs126 rather than a Fi156

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Regarding captured German aircraft on display in the UK, I thought this old thread might be helpful.


https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...rnborough-1945





Ed

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Bf 109 #1 :
https://sefuxq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-US...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109 #2:
https://sehv0q.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-US...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109 #3:
https://fm3vfq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-US...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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The were only four Me 262 in Erfurt - 110722, 110911, 111614 and 500053, so Erfurt may be wrong for 111691.

Regards,

Heuser

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#422: So the seller got it wrong. Dan O'Connell's book doesn't give a location for this a/c.

Me 262: Anybody knows the WNr of this one?
https://fm1wig.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-US...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109 & Fw 190:
https://fm0lqw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://fm2mcw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-lot-...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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Marc - if you refer to the train 2 Miles E of Frankfurt (propably Frankfurt-Osthafen), the following Werknummern are known:
G-14: 461954, 780757, 464093, 462927 and an unknow one
G-10: 490675, 490380
K-4: 330491
Four of unknown subtype, all listed as "G"

Regards,

Heuser

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FWIW, the Fw 190 photos have all been published in WOTBC, so they are known.

Mark Proulx

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Many thanks, Heuser. I wasn't aware of the exact location nor that some of the W.Nr.'s were documented.

Cheers
Marc

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Thanks for those Rudi. Though heavily pixelated, the Bf 109 seems to be Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 ... "Schwarzer Winkel kleine 1", Lt. Ernst Dieter Bernhard, Stab III./JG 53.
Low on fuel after flying an interception mission between 17h25 and 18h50 on 19 April 1945, Lt. Bernhard elected to land at Kaufbeuren to refuel. The starboard landing gear refused to lower and despite, Berhnard trying to pull it free with sharp pull ups, he finally had to belly land his brand new machine. He did this very smoothly, ending 50 meters away from the airfield's hangar.
Source: Prien 1998, p. 1073 - 1075.

Another shots of this machine is Prien and Rodeike 1995, p. 176. You have also the same aircraft in colour here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631643030771/


Cheers
Marc

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Thanks Guys,

#423 no WNr. known but place is Starnberg. We can see Starnberg's lake in background.
#427. Yep.... Only problem, this photo depict a "Winkel Schwarze (or another colour) 2", not "Winkel schwarze 1"...

Cheers
Franck.

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Thank You Heuser.

We just have to hope the listed "G" were, effectively, "G" subtype leaving only one K-4 .. if not ... :)

Thank you too for Erfurt listing.

Cheers,
Franck.

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Very early Bf109 in nice camo
http://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-JAGDFLIE...8AAOSw74tZ1nE7
http://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-JAGDFLIE...EAAOSwPHNZ1nEG

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Correct; it is a "Winkel kleine 2" indeed. It is thus the third Stab JG 53 Bf 109 K-4 known. Besides Lt Bernhard's "kleine 1"found at Kaufbeuren, we have also "Winkel kleine 5" found at Vilseck:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7631641027059/

Cheers
Marc

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Not captured but used for a movie in 1940.

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Franck, there are some "if'"; there is no visible Werknummer on these fotos nor an exact location, but mentioned one are from CEAR No. 269, dated 30.03.1945.

Well - AFAIK, the Alliied have identified K-4's as such in only a very few cases, often these are mentioned as G-6, G-10 or G-14 in the CEAR and Technical Intelligence Reports known to me.
I assume that the K-4 did not have a identification plate as known from older versions. A positive identification is only possible if the Werkummer is listed in these reports. F.e., there are 17 Werknummern of K-4s in a Report of Wertheim a/f , al listed as G-14.

Regards,

Heuser

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-World-W...4AAOSwk-pZjlWc
He 111 and Fw 190's.

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V2 on train http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-US-Troo...YAAOSwTLlZ2WmV

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V2 on train Stendal
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-US-Troo...wAAOSwez5Z2Wl9

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Me262 http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-GIs-...QAAOSwuD9Z2rrw

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That is the well known Neubiberg Me 262 onto which later a Hungarian Bf 109 was dropped.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/NAJN8JTZ6...JfGoo1_500.jpg

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Is the Werknr of this Me 262 known?

Different wrecks:
https://fm0eua.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://fm06oq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://fm2tug.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://fm2fla.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://fm1ilw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-L...19.m1438.l2649

According to the seller of this repro photo, the above were taken at Lyon:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Italian-Regg...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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Hi Rudi, yes 111728 Cheers Roger