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Revi16 2nd June 2021 16:26

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Currently located in the US Naval Museum, Pensacola, FL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=648imiA0WCM

Tony Kambic 3rd June 2021 03:49

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This picture was taken when displayed at Willow Grove NAS near Philadelphia, PA. At that time there was also a Rex, a George, and an Ar196.

Snautzer 3rd June 2021 13:46

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me262 https://www.ebay.com/itm/12475491405...YAAOSwcyRgt9Kk

Nick Beale 3rd June 2021 16:08

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Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 306605)

The same one with some PhotoShop adjustment — white 15 of III./EJG 2 by the look of it.

Karoband 3rd June 2021 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 306605)

Snautzer and Nick, Thank you for the photographs.

The eBay seller includes this as the back of that photo:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=743

A few years ago I downloaded this photo of a Me 262 associated with a Rolf Prigge:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=744

best regards,

Jim

Matolion 4th June 2021 01:01

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It was W.Nr.110526, White 15, III./EJG 2, found at Lechfeld

Dan O'Connell 4th June 2021 03:36

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Nice photo of White 15.

Modeldad 4th June 2021 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karoband (Post 306625)
Snautzer and Nick, Thank you for the photographs.

The eBay seller includes this as the back of that photo:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=743

A few years ago I downloaded this photo of a Me 262 associated with a Rolf Prigge:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=744

best regards,

Jim


The information about the aircraft may have been added by Jim Crow. Jim always had good information about the subject in the pictures he sold.

Jim died a number of years ago.

Nick Beale 4th June 2021 16:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Modeldad (Post 306647)
The information about the aircraft may have been added by Jim Crow.

Good call. The handwriting is exactly like that on the back of some photos I got from him.

RudiS 7th June 2021 10:40

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https://i.ibb.co/0y5ZGbF/Go-242-008.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448324248...QAAOSwiDJgvUuw


https://i.ibb.co/B2PD7P9/Go-242-009.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327178...cAAOSw-1FgvUyc

RudiS 7th June 2021 10:47

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https://i.ibb.co/WDcpBFB/He-219-009.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327256...gAAOSwXrtgvUzh


https://i.ibb.co/WHk0xX2/He-219-010.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327311...UAAOSwA5tgvU0s


https://i.ibb.co/bJfdKkX/He-219-011.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327395...IAAOSwNHxgvU1f


https://i.ibb.co/NWPW55R/He-219-012.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448324730...sAAOSwbEJgvU2s


https://i.ibb.co/hLfV3rr/He-219-013.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448325069...EAAOSwpDRgvU34


https://i.ibb.co/23kcZ7q/He-219-014.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448325137...UAAOSwLDJgvU41


https://i.ibb.co/PYhzSxQ/He-219-015.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327575...MAAOSwAfxgvU5x

RudiS 7th June 2021 10:51

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https://i.ibb.co/C20bTQB/Ju-88-418.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327637...UAAOSw3xxgvU6w


https://i.ibb.co/yRmLNQk/Ju-88-419.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327674...QAAOSwZ9xgvU7x


https://i.ibb.co/TcBNHSq/Ju-88-420.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327739...MAAOSwk~dgvU8u


https://i.ibb.co/kB7T4Lb/Ju-88-421.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327782...oAAOSwWo5gvU9r

RudiS 7th June 2021 10:54

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https://i.ibb.co/kxSvnnY/Ju-188-045.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448325592...YAAOSwFUFgvU-q


https://i.ibb.co/hY8P7rp/Ju-188-046.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432327846...AAAOSwt21gvU~j


https://i.ibb.co/7QgYpvN/Ju-188-047.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448325795...wAAOSwsfJgvVA6

RudiS 7th June 2021 11:00

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https://i.ibb.co/NYSsq8x/Ar-234-009.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432328118...UAAOSwPf5gvVEq


https://i.ibb.co/r7TTvck/Ar-234-010.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448326292...QAAOSwJHhgvVGL


https://i.ibb.co/NsD4X9V/Ar-234-011.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432328198...8AAOSwzFFgvVG9


https://i.ibb.co/6NfzgC3/Ar-234-012.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432328244...oAAOSwh8ZgvVH6


https://i.ibb.co/6Hd2Qjp/Ar-234-013.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28432328318...sAAOSw9BpgvVJe

RudiS 7th June 2021 11:03

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https://i.ibb.co/YhTMjmJ/Me-262-195.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448326463...4AAOSwdZdgvVKS


https://i.ibb.co/cQLJjDC/Me-262-196.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15448326501...YAAOSwUC1gvVK5

richdlc 7th June 2021 22:30

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oh baby!

edwest2 8th June 2021 00:58

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Incredible. Absolutely incredible. If I was doing a movie about the recovery of such aircraft, these photos would be very helpful.

Tony Kambic 8th June 2021 04:21

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Great pictures of some captured aircraft by Watson's Whizzers. Thanks so much. I've been fortunate volunteering at Udvar-Hazy and have done some restoration work on the He-219 290202.

richdlc 8th June 2021 10:51

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what's really exciting for me about the He 219 images is that W.Nr. 290 202 ('USA 10' - the machine that ended up at Udvar Hazy) shows an HMS Reaper deck/hold loading number (32) that was previously unknown, and also that one of them shows that the number 'USA 6' was briefly given to a machine! Also, the HMS Reaper loading number '15' that I believed was allocated to W.Nr. 210 903 could have been allocated instead to 'USA 9' (W.Nr. 290 060) !

Snautzer 8th June 2021 13:42

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ju 88 England crashed https://www.ebay.com/itm/35352619167...gAAOSwEgpgvkoY

RudiS 8th June 2021 23:28

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https://i.ibb.co/1vGnXYb/Si-204-58.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/20348758683...wAAOSwtu5gv430

RudiS 9th June 2021 10:47

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https://i.ibb.co/NC1D5q9/wrecks-135.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/27482683676...cAAOSwfKBgv~sQ

RudiS 12th June 2021 12:50

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https://i.ibb.co/dgkFmTk/wrecks-136.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/gVv2Wv6/wrecks-137.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31356263191...wAAOSwXnRgtW3l

RudiS 13th June 2021 13:00

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https://i.ibb.co/C1fj8z1/Bf-109-506.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/32467424472...AAAOSwu9tgxQS0

richdlc 14th June 2021 01:40

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OK so the He 219 pics went for HUGE amounts, nearly $2000 each. If anyone knows who bought them I would dearly like to be put in touch with the winning bidder in the hope they will share the images for our upcoming book. Many thanks!

Snautzer 14th June 2021 13:04

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Airframe Family: Bucker Bu-181 Bestmann
Latest Model:Bu-181 Bestmann
Last Military Serial:TP+CP LuftwaffeLast
Civil Registration: OO-RVD
Latest Owner or Location:Brussels Air Museum, Jubelpark, Etterbeek, Brussel


https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...02-png.627365/

Snautzer 14th June 2021 13:06

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Ju 88 American emblem flying https://www.ebay.com/itm/37361382315...IAAOSw-plgxkLp

Chris Goss 15th June 2021 18:01

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Those photos of captured ac in the States are not new so the seller must be laughing his way to the bank or on an expensive holiday! Prices paid are madness.

edwest2 15th June 2021 18:13

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It's easy to think that but some people are unaware of this site or don't do their research. And though I find the following statement a bit annoying, it is true: "It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it." There is a large auction company in the US who puts up certain collectibles and the prices keep going up. It is now to the point where the average person has no chance of getting certain things, only the wealthy.

richdlc 15th June 2021 22:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 307067)
Those photos of captured ac in the States are not new so the seller must be laughing his way to the bank or on an expensive holiday! Prices paid are madness.

If you know where to find the He 219 ones again Chris please let me know. There was only one that I was previously aware of

Stig Jarlevik 15th June 2021 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 307067)
Those photos of captured ac in the States are not new so the seller must be laughing his way to the bank or on an expensive holiday! Prices paid are madness.

Can't agree more
Not sure if I stopped hyperventilating or not.:shock:
Well known aircraft. Even if photos are new, they bring nothing new to the history of the He 219.

Cheers
Stig

John Manrho 16th June 2021 00:12

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Look at the bidding....it is all in the final seconds and two bidders went for the high bid.....then you get this result....probably automatic high bidding....

richdlc 16th June 2021 00:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 307075)
Can't agree more
Not sure if I stopped hyperventilating or not.:shock:
Well known aircraft. Even if photos are new, they bring nothing new to the history of the He 219.

Cheers
Stig

I wouldn't say that at all. There was an HMS Reaper loading number I was completely unaware of. The arrival date shown on the photos tallies with other information I have researched. The camo pattern shows that the NASM machine's new paint job is spurious, and also show the aircraft exactly as they were after they were captured. The NASM machine had at lest three paint jobs: original German, captured US and repainted 'German' for air shows and open days in the 1940s.

but hey, everyone keeps saying these are all well known photos. If thats the case, can someone let me know where I can find them on the net, for free please?

Chris Goss 16th June 2021 01:45

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Rich-suggest you have a word with Robert F as I did. Whatever, these prices are ridiculous & now good luck getting free copies-these buyers no doubt will want to recoup their outlay and as a publisher yourself and me an author, such prices would be economic suicide to the likes of us

Revi16 16th June 2021 05:14

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Here's a photo from Freeman Field, http://www.indianamilitary.org/Freem...E-614maybe.jpg


The photo is most likely at NARA in the 126-G Record Group/photo collection along with the others.

ad astra 16th June 2021 05:54

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In my observation, there are details depicted in the He 219 photographs that shine new light on these captured aircraft, so I agree with Richard.

In my view, the Werknummer of the aircraft in the first two photographs reads as 290060 which is in line with available information. The propeller blades carry the number 15. On the fuselage appears to be written USA 9. The underside of the wings appears to be black, as well as the doors of the wheel bays whereas the underside of the fuselage and the vertical tailplane are of lighter color.

Researchers of He 219 including Ron Ferguson have listed the three "US He 219" as

FE 612, Werknummer 210903, USA 8, "15" applied to its propeller blades

FE 613, Werknummer 290060, USA 9

FE 614, Werknummer 290202, USA 10

In his Research Paper, Ron apparently did not have any records of 290060 having black undersurfaces. Although he then claimed that aircraft within the block of Werknummern 290054 - 290078 possibly had consistently applied black camouflage, he cited 290060 as an exception to that rule.

Obviously, the propeller and spinner of the three He 219 may have been interchanged; that might explain why "15" propellers were on 290060 as shown in the photographs in August 1945, and potentially on 210903 at a later stage. There are also other potential explanations, so these photographs open new questions ....

Kind regards
Mathias

richdlc 16th June 2021 11:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Revi16 (Post 307095)
Here's a photo from Freeman Field, http://www.indianamilitary.org/Freem...E-614maybe.jpg


The photo is most likely at NARA in the 126-G Record Group/photo collection along with the others.

thanks Revi. I have corresponded with the Freeman Field website guys as I am writing about the captured He 219s there. The problem is that their images are nowhere near as good as the ones that were on eBay....hey ho.

richdlc 16th June 2021 11:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 307083)
Rich-suggest you have a word with Robert F as I did. Whatever, these prices are ridiculous & now good luck getting free copies-these buyers no doubt will want to recoup their outlay and as a publisher yourself and me an author, such prices would be economic suicide to the likes of us

thanks Chris, I'll drop Robert and Eddie a line, see if they can help

edwest2 16th June 2021 18:23

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There is a side view, color photo of USA 8 in the book War Prizes by Phil Butler. The caption reads: "Heinkel He 219A W Nr 210903 (later to become USA 8 and FE-612) at Grove (Karup) in Denmark in June 1945 before being painted in US markings. Mrs J. Woolams collection"

This photo shows the aircraft is light grey overall with some darker areas.

RudiS 21st June 2021 00:03

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https://i.ibb.co/dcK2tbr/He-111-215.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/39340224129...IAAOSw16dgz2y4


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