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RudiS 4th August 2021 10:18
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https://i.ibb.co/j87ts41/Ju-188-048.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/39348286165...4AAOSwuR5hCdrD

RudiS 6th August 2021 11:24
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https://i.ibb.co/VMvMCfj/Ju-88-427.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/qJfhZLy/Ju-87-166.jpg

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114923198...EAAOSwV-NhDBXf

RudiS 6th August 2021 11:29
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https://i.ibb.co/fpCSGdv/Mistel-037.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/18497997090...0AAOSwyghhCVRU

ArtieBob 6th August 2021 19:17
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In post #4683 with Mistels, is there also the fin and rudder of a He 219, perhaps W.Nr. 190199, ??+Y?
Best Regards,
Artie Bob

S Sheflin 6th August 2021 23:12
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Hello A/B,
He 219 A-2 (WNr. 290199) NF, coded G9+Y_, from I./NJG1, found abandoned at Fl.Horst Münster-Handorf, Germany (coordinates 51.992029 7.737635).
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

RudiS 9th August 2021 09:59
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https://i.ibb.co/GkvztnY/Bf-109-518.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/29432319266...oAAOSw~uBhD-cA

RudiS 9th August 2021 10:07
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https://i.ibb.co/YjmXY1J/Bf-109-519.jpg


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384319090...AAAOSwYfxhEAkd

RudiS 9th August 2021 10:13
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https://i.ibb.co/C9M1cTw/Ju-52-142.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31363153071...UAAOSwUq9hEBhK

Marc-André Haldimann 9th August 2021 11:24
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Possibly Bf 109 G-10/R2 W.Nr. 770 338 "Kleine Weisse 2", 1./NAGr. 11, Campoformido, Summer 1945.

Cheers
Marc

RT 9th August 2021 11:51
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Salut Marc,

Campoformido, near family "ur"-place, nd climate not so hot !, but if we trust on the main stream information, it could hv been changed :D

Rémi, happy to see that sun is returned

Nick Beale 9th August 2021 18:47
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Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 308996)
Possibly Bf 109 G-10/R2 W.Nr. 770 338 "Kleine Weisse 2", 1./NAGr. 11, Campoformido, Summer 1945.

Cheers
Marc
Is that the wrong attachment, Marc?

Here is the one I guess you meant, straightened out and cleaned up a little (there wasn't much I could do—too many reflections from the glossy surface). All I could "uncover" was black/white Balkenkreuze under the wings.

Marc-André Haldimann 9th August 2021 20:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 309017)
Is that the wrong attachment, Marc?

Here is the one I guess you meant, straightened out and cleaned up a little (there wasn't much I could do—too many reflections from the glossy surface). All I could "uncover" was black/white Balkenkreuze under the wings.

Yes Nick, and thanks for your unharmed image.

That's the plane I'm thinking of: we have film stills and photos of this machine at an earlier stage of decay - the prop and spinner still attached:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631640877952/

Notice the damage pattern around the starboard cockpit area - our guide for identifying the airframe:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631640877952/

Cheers
Marc

David E. Brown 10th August 2021 05:42
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Gents,

A close look at the photo of the Ju 88 A in Post #4663 reveals that there is a small numeric-letter code visible just above the ‘h’ in the watermark. The letter looks to be a “K” though the number is unclear.

If “1K” this points to a machine with NSGr. 4, though I have not found any evidence that it used Ju 88s. Barry Rosch in his book notes that “1K” was also used by the Stab or Staffeln within III./KG 27, but this Geschwader operated He 111s.

“3K” was used by Minensuchsgruppe 1 and its Ju 52/3(MS) aircraft.

It is possible that the machine was an ex-I./KG 3 Ju 88 A-4 (“5K”) and used by another unit following the Geschwader’s disbandment in July 1944. But use the unit code would be redundant for a now non-existent Geschwader. And especially so since the aircraft was repainted and shows little sign of wear.

“6K” was assigned to Aufkl.Gr.(H) 23 though it did not use Ju 88s. Rosch notes that it may have been used by NSGr. 6, so it is possible that the machine was associated with this unit, though it does not appear that it operated Ju 88s.

If “9K” this would suggest a KG 51 aircraft. However, at this time its I. Gruppe had look since converted to the Me 262 and also the colouration of the spinner does not match the style seen on photos. Photos reveal this Geschwader and its sub units commonly had the front half or all of the spinner painted in the respective Staffel colour. Again, why paint this code on an aircraft not used by the unit?

Rosch indicates that the unit association with codes 2K, 4K, 7K and 8K are unknown. Is there any new information on these?

I also observe just ahead of the Balkenkreuz the lower half of a white letter, possibly an ‘E’ or ‘L’. Note also that the spinner has twin white rings in a style reflecting that used by KG 6. White + white would indicate 1. Staffel / I. Gruppe. Perhaps this was a machine from this unit that was reallocated once the unit began conversion to the Me 262. Certainly it has been re-painted, presumably overall RLM 75 on its uppersurfaces with a wellen of RLM 76. To me this looks like a modified night camouflage, and would support its nocturnal use. The the outer wing bomb racks might support this.

So: possibly “1K+we.E/LH” of 1./NSGr. 4?

Any thoughts on this machines identity are appreciated.

David

ChristianK 10th August 2021 10:03
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David, I just did a quick search through my photo collection and found the very same style of spinner markings on Ju 88 L1+BM of II./LG 1, which was captured at Salzburg in 1945.

Another photo from the same lot as the one in post #4663 was captioned as "Naumburg" (which, in this instance, might mean the landing strip at Bad Kösen / Punschrau). One of the last airfields of II./LG 1, Pretzsch, is rather near-by. So perhaps this is an aircraft of II./LG 1? The unit code is also veeery unclear in this photo, to be honest. I would not draw any conclusions based on this one.

Cheers,
Christian

Matolion 10th August 2021 11:00
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If there aren't two machines with the same damage, which I doubt, it was the White P, W.Nr.??44

jim norton 10th August 2021 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChristianK (Post 309044)
David, I just did a quick search through my photo collection and found the very same style of spinner markings on Ju 88 L1+BM of II./LG 1, which was captured at Salzburg in 1945.

Another photo from the same lot as the one in post #4663 was captioned as "Naumburg" (which, in this instance, might mean the landing strip at Bad Kösen / Punschrau). One of the last airfields of II./LG 1, Pretzsch, is rather near-by. So perhaps this is an aircraft of II./LG 1? The unit code is also veeery unclear in this photo, to be honest. I would not draw any conclusions based on this one.

Cheers,
Christian
just like i said :-)
there were also other machines of II./LG 1, which were marked in the same way. see those ju88 from barth/baltic sea.
all the best
jim

Stephen M. Fochuk 10th August 2021 18:23
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Is this 88 an A-13 variant? Would that outer wing rack carry that WB80 pod?

Stephen
Quote:
Originally Posted by David E. Brown (Post 309041)
Gents,

A close look at the photo of the Ju 88 A in Post #4663 reveals that there is a small numeric-letter code visible just above the ‘h’ in the watermark. The letter looks to be a “K” though the number is unclear.

If “1K” this points to a machine with NSGr. 4, though I have not found any evidence that it used Ju 88s. Barry Rosch in his book notes that “1K” was also used by the Stab or Staffeln within III./KG 27, but this Geschwader operated He 111s.

“3K” was used by Minensuchsgruppe 1 and its Ju 52/3(MS) aircraft.

It is possible that the machine was an ex-I./KG 3 Ju 88 A-4 (“5K”) and used by another unit following the Geschwader’s disbandment in July 1944. But use the unit code would be redundant for a now non-existent Geschwader. And especially so since the aircraft was repainted and shows little sign of wear.

“6K” was assigned to Aufkl.Gr.(H) 23 though it did not use Ju 88s. Rosch notes that it may have been used by NSGr. 6, so it is possible that the machine was associated with this unit, though it does not appear that it operated Ju 88s.

If “9K” this would suggest a KG 51 aircraft. However, at this time its I. Gruppe had look since converted to the Me 262 and also the colouration of the spinner does not match the style seen on photos. Photos reveal this Geschwader and its sub units commonly had the front half or all of the spinner painted in the respective Staffel colour. Again, why paint this code on an aircraft not used by the unit?

Rosch indicates that the unit association with codes 2K, 4K, 7K and 8K are unknown. Is there any new information on these?

I also observe just ahead of the Balkenkreuz the lower half of a white letter, possibly an ‘E’ or ‘L’. Note also that the spinner has twin white rings in a style reflecting that used by KG 6. White + white would indicate 1. Staffel / I. Gruppe. Perhaps this was a machine from this unit that was reallocated once the unit began conversion to the Me 262. Certainly it has been re-painted, presumably overall RLM 75 on its uppersurfaces with a wellen of RLM 76. To me this looks like a modified night camouflage, and would support its nocturnal use. The the outer wing bomb racks might support this.

So: possibly “1K+we.E/LH” of 1./NSGr. 4?

Any thoughts on this machines identity are appreciated.

David

RudiS 12th August 2021 09:49
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https://i.ibb.co/S7GPXRV/Bf-109-520.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/sghTwCt/Bf-110-115.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/DRPVyQP/Bf-110-116.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/JCzq4dV/Ju-87-167.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/1rD9P80/He-111-220.jpg


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114931473...MAAOSwBbphE~ij

RudiS 12th August 2021 09:55
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https://i.ibb.co/rkF4pY7/Do-17-020.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/16501409966...4AAOSwwD1hFGt2

Snautzer 12th August 2021 12:30
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he219 tail discussed here but different picture.
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...postcount=1243

RudiS 12th August 2021 22:51
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https://i.ibb.co/kgf527r/Ju-88-429.jpg

https://www.ebay.de/itm/373682235261...wAAOSwmyhhFTF2

Marcel van Heijkop 13th August 2021 09:35
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Judging from the first 3 digits of the W.Nr. (BTW What do people make of it? 330975 or 330575? 330525 maybe?) aircraft could be a Ju 88 S-3. Looking at the camouflage, unit could be LG1 or possibly 3./KG66.

Regards,

Marcel

Nick Beale 13th August 2021 10:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcel van Heijkop (Post 309140)
Judging from the first 3 digits of the W.Nr. (BTW What do people make of it? 330975 or 330575? 330525 maybe?) aircraft could be a Ju 88 S-3. Looking at the camouflage, unit could be LG1 or possibly 3./KG66.

Regards,

Marcel
I make it 330925 (see attachment). If I'm correct then it's W.Nr. 330925, NN+YY, L1+IP. Completed at Henschel-Schönefeld on 20 July 1944 and delivered to II./LG 1. Lost on 18 August 1944.

Source: TNA AIR 40/3122: Air Prisoner of War Interrogation Unit, British Air Forces of Occupation (BAFO): various reports Nos. 38/1944–120/1945

Mike Watson 13th August 2021 13:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David E. Brown (Post 309041)
Gents,

A close look at the photo of the Ju 88 A in Post #4663 reveals that there is a small numeric-letter code visible just above the ‘h’ in the watermark. The letter looks to be a “K” though the number is unclear.

If “1K” this points to a machine with NSGr. 4, though I have not found any evidence that it used Ju 88s. Barry Rosch in his book notes that “1K” was also used by the Stab or Staffeln within III./KG 27, but this Geschwader operated He 111s.

“3K” was used by Minensuchsgruppe 1 and its Ju 52/3(MS) aircraft.

It is possible that the machine was an ex-I./KG 3 Ju 88 A-4 (“5K”) and used by another unit following the Geschwader’s disbandment in July 1944. But use the unit code would be redundant for a now non-existent Geschwader. And especially so since the aircraft was repainted and shows little sign of wear.

“6K” was assigned to Aufkl.Gr.(H) 23 though it did not use Ju 88s. Rosch notes that it may have been used by NSGr. 6, so it is possible that the machine was associated with this unit, though it does not appear that it operated Ju 88s.

If “9K” this would suggest a KG 51 aircraft. However, at this time its I. Gruppe had look since converted to the Me 262 and also the colouration of the spinner does not match the style seen on photos. Photos reveal this Geschwader and its sub units commonly had the front half or all of the spinner painted in the respective Staffel colour. Again, why paint this code on an aircraft not used by the unit?

Rosch indicates that the unit association with codes 2K, 4K, 7K and 8K are unknown. Is there any new information on these?

I also observe just ahead of the Balkenkreuz the lower half of a white letter, possibly an ‘E’ or ‘L’. Note also that the spinner has twin white rings in a style reflecting that used by KG 6. White + white would indicate 1. Staffel / I. Gruppe. Perhaps this was a machine from this unit that was reallocated once the unit began conversion to the Me 262. Certainly it has been re-painted, presumably overall RLM 75 on its uppersurfaces with a wellen of RLM 76. To me this looks like a modified night camouflage, and would support its nocturnal use. The the outer wing bomb racks might support this.

So: possibly “1K+we.E/LH” of 1./NSGr. 4?

Any thoughts on this machines identity are appreciated.

David
Hi David.

I followed a similar path to yourself and was fixated on the letter ahead of the Balkenkreuz being being 'K'. I since have subjected the image to a number of other examinations and I think that the letter may actually be 'N'. Considering this '4N' appears as the likely code pointing to an aircraft of Aufkl.Gr.(F) 22. Of course it is unclear but this may prompt other lines of investigation.

Mike

Marcel van Heijkop 13th August 2021 22:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 309142)
I make it 330925 (see attachment). If I'm correct then it's W.Nr. 330925, NN+YY, L1+IP. Completed at Henschel-Schönefeld on 20 July 1944 and delivered to II./LG 1. Lost on 18 August 1944.

Source: TNA AIR 40/3122: Air Prisoner of War Interrogation Unit, British Air Forces of Occupation (BAFO): various reports Nos. 38/1944–120/1945
Thanks Nick! Fantastic to see that there's a whole story behind such a humble Ebay photo. And impressive to see that this aircraft had a service life of just a month....Times were grim..

Regards,

Marcel

RudiS 14th August 2021 13:17
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https://i.ibb.co/wsDzQXP/He-111-221.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/30410530692...IAAOSwEqphFqLF

RudiS 14th August 2021 13:18
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https://i.ibb.co/qJRFfD8/Ju-88-430.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/36350508346...4AAOSwPzZhFrwU

richdlc 14th August 2021 13:31
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I've got the image in post 4707 in my collection somewhere. Didn't realise it was a news radiophoto

S Sheflin 14th August 2021 17:26
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Unless I am mistaken, Post #4706 is Ernst Heinkel Flugzeugwerke-built
He 111 H-14 (WNr. 7910) St.Kz. GB+GF, found abandoned and damaged at Fl.Horst Halle-Nietleben, Germany (coordinates 51.486111 11.941667).
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

RT 14th August 2021 18:03
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4707 picture, soldiers looks very poor dressed


Rémi

richdlc 16th August 2021 13:34
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gah! Outbid again...

If anyone here won this album or knows who did, I'd be grateful if you'd be willing to share the He 219 pic for our book...or maybe there are more pics in the album?:)

RudiS 17th August 2021 09:55
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https://i.ibb.co/kBQRc3R/Bf-110-117.jpg

https://www.ebay.de/itm/165021105345...wAAOSweaFhGmlT

RudiS 17th August 2021 09:56
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https://i.ibb.co/N9j0ymY/Ju-88-431.jpg

https://www.ebay.de/itm/165021112724...IAAOSwLrBhGmp7

Snautzer 18th August 2021 12:01
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/313642057427...cAAOSwU~FhHBUs
7./JG 52. Uffz. Herbert Meissler
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...86-png.638364/

RT 18th August 2021 15:39
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Very interesting Schnautzer, 2 things, wonder why if camera was focused on Tarasow, the other pilots quite on the same plan are a bit blurred...
Nd more important, plane hv KJ+GU STKZ, nd up to STKZ.DE, should hv to be KJ+GV if Wn given on loss is correct =14997
Rémi

RudiS 18th August 2021 22:38
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https://i.ibb.co/ftrp88Y/Me-262-208.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/22457715954...YAAOSwtuVhHQmD

Marcel van Heijkop 21st August 2021 00:06
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In a recent auction an album was offered (http://historical-media.com/id1011.htm ) which contained a photo of an abandoned Ju 88 S-3, W.Nr. 330718, see attached photo.

According to some Fora and Interest Groups the full caption of this photo should be "Ju 88 S-3 W.Nr. 330718 "Z6+AB", Stab I./KG 66, Fl.Pl. Brüssels-Grimbergen, late 1944".

I can't find this aircraft in my Crashed Enemy Aircraft Reports, nor can I make out anything beyond the W.Nr. and the letter "B"..

Does anybody know what the source for this caption is?

Thanks in advance, Marcel

PS If the buyer of this album is a member of 12 O'Clock High, please contact me off the board or send me a PM

Matolion 21st August 2021 11:25
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Here you have even more photos and description from Gerhard Stemmer
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...4&postcount=11

https://i.imgur.com/1TvJTy2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UyZU0Q6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GEyGXK4.png
https://digitaltmuseum.no/0110127303...tloytnant-rolf

+ D.520, SV+GB which was found there as well
https://i.imgur.com/AaSytcQ.jpg

Matolion 21st August 2021 11:55
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There is one discrepancy
B-17 in the photo (44-8258 IY-A) force-landed at Melsbroek. 1.1.1945 destroyed. It was probably transported to Grimbergen for repair and destroyed there
http://401bg.org/Main/History/Aircra...s.aspx?ID=8258

Nick Beale 21st August 2021 12:41
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#4178: Ju 88 S-3 330178 was mentioned in this thread (post #12) as a machine of 3./LG 1, lost on 24 December 1955. However the recent French edition of Peter Taghon's LG 1 history corrects the Werk Nummer of that loss to 330176.


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