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Post #4732 - I received a copy of this photo, sans signature, from the late Jim Crow decades ago. I believe that it is Gothær-Waggonfabrik-built Bf 110 G-4, WNr. 180564, found abandoned at Fl.Horst Ansbach (coordinates 49.308333 10.641667). Note, this is a very poor reproduction of it.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Originally Posted by Matolion (Post 309428)

Here you have even more photos and description from Gerhard Stemmer
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...4&postcount=11

https://i.imgur.com/1TvJTy2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UyZU0Q6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GEyGXK4.png
https://digitaltmuseum.no/0110127303...tloytnant-rolf

+ D.520, SV+GB which was found there as well
https://i.imgur.com/AaSytcQ.jpg

Thanks a lot, glad I asked!:) These pictures were unknown to me. I have been a member of 12 O'Clock High for as long as I can remember, but for some strange reason I have completely overlooked this thread in 2016...

Very helpful! Regards,

Marcel

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Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 309435)

#4178: Ju 88 S-3 330178 was mentioned in this thread (post #12) as a machine of 3./LG 1, lost on 24 December 1955. However the recent French edition of Peter Taghon's LG 1 history corrects the Werk Nummer of that loss to 330176.

Thanks Nick! I have both editions, will check.

Marcel

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Originally Posted by Marcel van Heijkop (Post 309527)

Thanks Nick! I have both editions, will check.

Marcel

Although my comment was only helpful if there was a typo, since (as I should have pointed out) the aircraft in the photo is 330718, not …178.

Attached are details from the two Ju 88 wreck photos side-by-side, with some adjustment to bring out the Werk Nummer of one of them. We appear to have 330716 and 330718: to me the curves of the final digit on each aircraft look differen.t

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Greetings to all,
Unless I am mistaken, the Fw 190 illustrated in Post #4727 is a relatively-rare Fw 190 A-7, WNr, 430706, St.Kz. CT+LO, which was abandoned in a large collection of aircraft at Einsatzhafen Bayreuth-Bindlach, Germany (coordinates 49.984722 11.638889). Of particular interest is the hand-applied white script below its cockpit.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Thanks for the ID, Steve! Now I can finally attribute this one to some location :)

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However, the two in post 4728 show the same thing, white script on the port side. Was this a message chalked on by the allies to denote they planes were checked and safe?

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Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 309551)

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I have seen photos of German aircraft with a "Keep Off!" sign. This was done by air intelligence teams. There were also "Booby Traps!" signs.

The Germans knew that Allied souvenir hunters might climb aboard or, if not for souvenirs, just to get a photo of themselves sitting in an enemy plane.
The British had an agreement with the Americans to exchange certain listed, desirable aircraft when found by either for air intelligence transfer.

When fighter planes were to be abandoned, sometimes a grenade was thrown into the cockpit. For larger aircraft, the Germans placed an explosive charge about midway in the aircraft.
It could be set off once someone came aboard or tried to move the aircraft. I have a photo of two German bombers neatly split in half as a result of this.

Ed

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Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 309748)

When fighter planes were to be abandoned, sometimes a grenade was thrown into the cockpit. For larger aircraft, the Germans placed an explosive charge about midway in the aircraft.
It could be set off once someone came aboard or tried to move the aircraft. I have a photo of two German bombers neatly split in half as a result of this.

Ed

AFAIR they installed demolition charges called "gebalte Ladung"on board of the He 111 and the Ju 88 . These could be used to destroy the a/c when they belly landed it behind enemy lines.

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Thanks Rudi!

This is the same KG 200-He 111 as in the attached photos, coded A3+D(S?). Odd structure in the background. The photos I have were sold together with others from Berlin-Tempelhof, but I am not sure those ones were also taken there. The background in the pictures posted by Rudi looks a little too rural for Berlin. Does anyone have more info on this plane?

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Somebody recently bought a series of original negatives; the Hs 129 photo on the bottom is a positive copy off that crisp negative.

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Post #4749

FE-4600/T2-4600 Henschel Hs 129B-1/R2 W Nr unknown

Also listed as EB-105. EB for Evaluation Branch at Wright Field.

"This aircraft was recorded as being at Wright Field from 20th August 1943. It seems likely that it was captured in North Africa.

"It is known to have been shipped from Wright Field to Tulsa, Oklahoma, for reassembly and restoration to flying condition on 27th March 1944. To FE-4600..."

Source: War Prizes by Phil Butler

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Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 309966)

There is another captured Hs 129, but looks different - but captured during operation in North Africa:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/35313013372...75.c101224.m-1

Faenor

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Could someone imagine the Wn on the Bf 110, of the last post, .087 ,,?

Rémi

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Remi

According to the seller it is WNr 3879

Cheers
Stig

PS: I cannot locate this one straight ahead in MAW 1, but since Herrn Bock did not belong to the team at that point, I believe lots of Luftwaffe data is missing from the book.
One possibility is 28 Jan 1942 where a III./ZG 26 Bf 110 (no WNr) is said to have crash landed north of Ghemines.
If that is not it, at least I cannot see it.

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3879, on 20.nov.1941 in El Adem 100 %

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Thanks Rémi

Yep, there it is. The backside writing is thus wrong with two months.....
Wreck must have been there for awhile.

Cheers
Stig

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