Originally Posted by Nokose (Post 124878)

Okay. I should have put a "?" there. Rob, Thanks for the answer on the camera aircraft.

Originally Posted by DiegoZampini (Post 124290)

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Other example is the combat when he was shot down on 20 August 1943: according his account in his autobiography written by Trevor Constable, he shot down two Il-2s when was hit by flak, belly-landed and captured by a short period of time (later he evaded).
If fact Khazanov could determine, that according to the Soviet records, what Hartmann attacked was a group of Shturmoviks of the 232 ShAP. One of the Il-2 pilots, Leytenat Pavel Evdokimov, saw how a "Messer" jumped his buddy V. Ermakov, and shot at close range a 20-mm burst against the Bf.109, which performed a belly-landing - indeed this was Hartmann's Bf.109G-6. No Il-2 was lost by 232 ShAP that day, even when two were damaged. Once again, Hartmann "kills" were overclaims (even when in this case seem that both were in good faith). And he was not downed by flak, but by Shturmovik pilot Pavel Evdokimov.

Diego

Originally Posted by kaki3152 (Post 148496)

BTW,the best book on MAnfred von Richtofen is Norman Franks "Under the Guns of the Red Baron". It is the complete record of Von Richtofen's victories and victims.