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Re: eBay: German intrest

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 275865)

No, you just have to wait a little bit.
Interesting emblem inside. FFS A/B 61 I guess.

I think the writing on the lower half 'A/B C4' could be a big unit identity clue.

Re: eBay: German intrest

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Originally Posted by ChrisS (Post 275885)

I think the writing on the lower half 'A/B C4' could be a big unit identity clue.

Chris

As far as I know there was nothing called A/B C4. Reason was the German training system didn't mix in the C standard training with the A/B one.

Looking at known sysmbols, I must say I am still with Frank. The photo is fuzzy so hard to be 100%, but it looks very much like the known shield of A/B 61.

Cheers
Stig

Re: eBay: Captured Russian Fighters

Hello,

Currently on ebay an interesting photo of a couple of captured Yaks? Not certain which variant.Perhaps Yak-3? Can anyone assist?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Russland-Jage...sAAOSw76pdmkpY

Regards,

Clint

Re: eBay: German intrest

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Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 275887)

Yes, good point, but there was Flugzeugführerschule C 4 which became later Flugzeugführerschule B 4. As far as I am aware no emblem has been found for FFS C 4.

Regards

Chris

Re: eBay: German intrest

Post 1223 - Hi Clint - These are Yak1Ms

Re: eBay: German intrest

Hello Tom,

Thanks for the ID.

Regards,

Clint

Re: eBay: German intrest

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Originally Posted by ChrisS (Post 275906)

Yes, good point, but there was Flugzeugführerschule C 4 which became later Flugzeugführerschule B 4. As far as I am aware no emblem has been found for FFS C 4.

Chris
If you look carefully again on the photo you will see in the left corner of the shield quite clearly A/B. What you see as a C, I see as a fuzzy digit 6 and what you see as a digit 4, I see as a shaky 1. Since a shield carrying the text/digits A/B C 4 is an impossibility, it simply has to an A/B schule.

Since all books I have also state there was no A/B 64, enhance my belief Frank is correct and we do look at a shield from A/B 61.

Looking at the emblem itself, I agree, I have not seen any shield either for C 4 or its later B 4, but it would be very, very odd if both A/B 61 and C later B 4 also carried basically the same emblem.

Since these emblems used by the school units very often represented their place of origin, in this case a twin-towered building with a rampant lion (which all my books says was the arms of Oschatz) why would C/B 4 choose an emblem basically exactly as A/B 61? Makes no sense. Sorry....

Cheers
Stig

Re: eBay: German intrest

Among all the picture:

"Oschatz 1943."

Is it enough?

Ps: Crest is captioned "A/B 61 - Oschatz" ... Should be enough now.

Re: eBay: German intrest

... Bü 181: DR+KR FFS A 61 December 1943 to May 1944.
... Bü 181 DR+KQ (our photo) FFS A 61 December 1943

But obviously the crest kept A/B and the reported dates aren't restrictive.