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The three photographs of the Me 262 A-1a in post #5257 (above) is WNr.501221 “Yellow 3” of 3./JG 7. It was shot down by US anti-aircraft fire from guns of the 559th Flight Defense Battalion - 559th AAA (AW) Btn. near Klötze/Kusey, Germany on 21 April 1945. It is missing the top half of the fin having been removed as a souvenir as it is visible in a number of other photos taken soon after the crash. The machine made a forced landing and hit a railway embankment ripping off the nose and two Jumo 003 motors. The machine was spun around and the centripetal force ejected the pilot from the cockpit who was killed. He was buried in his black leather flying suit by local inhabitants (specific churchyard unknown) and remains unidentified to this day. Best, David |
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Thanks for the info, David.
PS: I think you mean post #5267 |
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Thanks Rudi,
Yes, that is the correct post number - thanks for the catch. Best, David |
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#5282 is a well-known US Army shot of the scrapyard at Bonn-Hangelar which you can download free from Fold3.com.
A list of the aircraft found (with identifications where I was able to make them) is here: http://www.ghostbombers.com/sf/Stuka/v8kd_8.html |
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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1037 Thank you for posting these photos of W.Nr. 501221. An enlargement shows that it is not a ripped joint tape between the blue/red bands on the rear fuselage but a yellow? vertical stripe signifying that the aircraft was from III. Gruppe. Best regards, Jim Addendum: I have just examined closely the vertical bars of W.Nr. 110007 and 110800, both of III./JG 7. Both have short yellow bars with white surround within the blue/red bands, not extending beyond the upper and lower limits of the bands seen here. Yet the vertical stripe here seems to sharp edges and a squared bottom. Any ideas? |
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Thanks Nick & Jim for the info.
https://i.ibb.co/Rz9Z948/Bf-109-610.jpg https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185519703...UAAOSw9iZi5rvw |
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Jim,
I went through my photos to see the variations in JG 7's III. Gruppe markings. As you note, confirmed III./JG 7 aircraft have the vertical bar positioned on the boundary between the blue/red JG 7 tailband. There are variations between the 9. and 11. Staffeln, but none are positioned at the span between the tail assembly and rear fuselage. Gruppenstab 111???, Green 1+I, Black Double Chevron +I, Stab III./JG 7, Sinner, Parchim (short, black w/ white outline) 9. Staffel 11????, White 7+I, 9./JG 7, unknown (short, white) 111832, White?+I, 9./JG 7, pos. Brandenburg-Briest (short, black w/ white outline) 500???, White 13+I, 9./JG 7, pos. Leipheim (long, white) 500071, White 3+I, 9./JG 7, Mutke, Debensdorf (short, white) 11. Staffel 110007, Yellow 5+I, 11./JG 7, Schlöppler, AirMin 79, Fassberg (short, black w/ white outline) 500491, Yellow 7+I, 11./G 7, Muller, Dennis-Ginny H-888-FE-111, Lechfeld (short, yellow w/ black outline) Therefore, the subject machine "Yellow 3" WNr.501221 is a 3. Staffel machine. Note also the similarity with the well-photographed "Yellow 8", WNr.112385 also of 3. Staffel that was found at Stendal. The style, size and dimensions of its '8' is identical to that of WNr.501221's '3'. Best, David |
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David,
Thank you for doing the research to clarify this. It is appreciated. Jim |
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Anytime Jim.
We're just keeping Dan happy! David |
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9. Staffel
11????, White 7+I, 9./JG 7, unknown (short, white) 111832, White?+I, 9./JG 7, pos. Brandenburg-Briest (short, black w/ white outline) David, do you have a firm confirmation on 111832. I have no record of it. although it is in a good block. Thanks! |
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I assume you refer to WNr 111007? When was the connection to AM 79 discovered? So far in every publication I have AM 79 is unknown, not even certain to have actually been a Me 262. I know Dan speculates in his book it may have become either AM 78 or 79 but as far as I know both AM 78 and 79 are untraced in British files. Cheers Stig |
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W.Nr.110007 is readable on the tail
https://canadianaerospace.weebly.com...in-canada.html |
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Stig,
An excerpt from The Race for Hitler's X-Planes. Scroll down about halfway. https://erenow.net/ww/the-race-for-h...-planes/16.php AM 79 is identified as an Me 262A. |
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That is about the same stand point already known in 1977 and is of no use at all in this context. Cheers Stig |
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However the site tries to ID WNr 111007 with AM 80 while this one has always in the past been identified as WNr 111690. I have not seen anything else which changes that. Have you? Cheers Stig |
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Yes. I have AM80 as W.Nr.111690, White 5. 2./JG 7. AM79 is Me 262A, but there is still some confusion
I have W.Nr.110007 as Yellow 5+I, 11./JG 7 (according to the photo) |
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Sorry Matolion
I don't buy that AM 79 was a Me 262....yet..... :) Where is the proof? It is not enough that guesses have been made in the past. Where is the document (or photo!) which proves that? Cheers Stig |
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There are two of us waiting for the photo. :D If it exists at all.
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Indeed!
In the meantime I am waiting for David to come back with his evidence. Cheers Stig |
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Ju88 Nightfighter 712186 solid nose radar Naumburg Germany April 1945 https://www.ebay.com/itm/37420377419...UAAOSw~EZi7gOz
see also http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...postcount=4137 notice name difference. https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...47-png.680853/ https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...05-png.680854/ |
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Me262 2 seater French captured https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...8#post-1760369
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A big thank you, Rudi, for #5317.
Jim |
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