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Marc-André Haldimann 26th May 2021 09:35

Re: Captured German planes, not from eBay
 
A few photos taken during the European Tour of US Congress members, Summer 1945:

Hofoldinger Forst Me 262 A W.Nr. 111685 "9K+FH", 1./KG 51 - with my thanks to Matolion for this identification:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100014...in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100014...in/dateposted/

He 111 H W.Nr. 8037 "??+EM" :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100014...in/dateposted/

Bf 109 G-14/AS, JG 53:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100014...in/dateposted/

Cheers
Marc

Nick Beale 26th May 2021 10:11

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The Heinkel looks as if it's W.Nr. 8037 (or possibly 8057) — see attached image detail.

ChristianK 26th May 2021 11:42

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It's indeed 8037. This is He 111 H-16 S3+EM which was captured in Mönchengladbach (which was called München-Gladbach back then). A plane which has been photographed very often but this is the first time I see its Werknummer. Now that this is known, the Stammkennzeichen SM+KD can be decyphered on its wing undersides (it was partly overpainted). Thanks Marc and Nick!

Marc-André Haldimann 26th May 2021 12:13

Re: Captured German planes, not from eBay
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristianK (Post 306335)
It's indeed 8037. This is He 111 H-16 S3+EM which was captured in Mönchengladbach (which was called München-Gladbach back then). A plane which has been photographed very often but this is the first time I see its Werknummer. Now that this is known, the Stammkennzeichen SM+KD can be decyphered on its wing undersides (it was partly overpainted). Thanks Marc and Nick!

Thanks to you ChristianK, and to Nick, of course; one more case settled.

Cheers
Marc

Matolion 26th May 2021 12:41

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It was H-11 according to W.Nr.

He 111H-11 7955-8155 Rostock
He 111H-16 8156-8355 Rostock

Aero Journal Hors-serie No.28, 2017

Nick Beale 26th May 2021 13:48

Re: Captured German planes, not from eBay
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristianK (Post 306335)
It's indeed 8037. This is He 111 H-16 S3+EM which was captured in Mönchengladbach (which was called München-Gladbach back then). A plane which has been photographed very often but this is the first time I see its Werknummer. Now that this is known, the Stammkennzeichen SM+KD can be decyphered on its wing undersides (it was partly overpainted). Thanks Marc and Nick!

A machine in 4./TGr. 30 markings that late in the war is interesting because the Staffel itself didn't exist by then, as far as I know.

Marc-André Haldimann 27th May 2021 09:58

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Dear Gang,

Though known since a long time, here again a few photos made by R. H. Dibnah during his service time, most probably in Germany, Spring 1945. First, the known locations:

Fw 190 A-8 W.Nr. 350210 "Weisse 5", II./JG 54, found at Lüneburg, April 1945:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/

Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 332700 (the one-winged) and W.Nr. 330255 "Schwarzer Winkel, Stab III./JG 27, both found at Wunstorf, 8 April 1945:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/

Si 204 D, Wunstorf, 8 April 1945:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/

Ju 87 D "??+J?" and Ju 88, Wunstorf, after 19 April 1945:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/

Now for the location unknown ones:

Fw 190 and Fw 200 :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/

Ar 234 half destroyed and put up as a decoy:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/

Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. unknown "Weisse 24", 1./JG 27:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/

Any ideas ?

Cheers
Marc

Nick Beale 27th May 2021 12:18

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Ju 87 D "??+J?" and Ju 88, Wunstorf, after 19 April 1945
Ju 87 D-5 Werk Nummer 140736, V8+JB of 1./NSG 1 (Nord).
Ar 234 half destroyed and put up as a decoy
T9+KH (W.Nr. 140349), almost certainly the “Me 262” claimed on the ground at Rheine by F/L Dick Audet of No. 411 Squadron (RCAF) on 23 January 1945.

Marc-André Haldimann 27th May 2021 12:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 306375)
Ju 87 D "??+J?" and Ju 88, Wunstorf, after 19 April 1945
Ju 87 D-5 Werk Nummer 140736, V8+JB of 1./NSG 1 (Nord)
Ar 234 half destroyed and put up as a decoy
T9+KH (W.Nr. 140349), almost certainly the “Me 262” claimed on the ground at Rheine by F/L Dick Audet of No. 411 Squadron (RCAF) on 23 January 1945.

Thanks so much, Nick ! It is highly appreciated.

Now we have only the Bf 109 K-4 "Weisse 24", the Fw 190 and the Fw 200 seen on the other photos to localise.

Cheers
Marc

Maciej Góralczyk 28th May 2021 22:17

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Isn't this:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/230571...7610334641015/
the other side of WNr. 350210?


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