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As a folle-up, the Si 204 was photographed at Eschwege; information courtesy of Mike Harpe, WWII Pictures Group, facebook.com.
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Some more planes here, all depicted at B-174, Utersen, after 3 July 1945:
Me 262 W.Nr. 118 563 or 118 565, III./KG(J) ? https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...part-one-8.jpg Ju 88 https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...part-one-9.jpg Fw 200 https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...art-one-10.jpg He 111 H-16 "?S+EA" https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...art-one-11.jpg Fw 190's https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...art-one-12.jpg Ju 52/3m https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...art-one-13.jpg Cheers Marc |
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Some others shots taken at Schleswig, May 1945:
Ju 188 D-2 W.Nr. xx0 032, 1. Fernaufklarungsgruppe 122 https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...-part-6-33.jpg https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...-part-6-32.jpg https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...-part-6-31.jpg Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 130 342 "Weisse 44", 4./NJG 11 https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...-part-6-34.jpg And this Fw 190 A-8 at Petit Brogel, Belgium, late 1944: https://clarencesimonsen.files.wordp...-part-5-29.jpg Cheers Marc |
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The Fw 190 in #683 is in fact a Fieseler built Fw 190D-9 from III. /JG 26. I think it’s at least shown in the JaPo Fw 190D vol. 2 book.
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#683 does not pass as D-2 xx0032, rather in my opinion: camo and details seems be Ju 188 A-3 of III/KG 26 (1H+HR) . Besides Ju 188 with xx0032 are known other type (F-1 BMW 801 engines) and known Pocking with no weaves.
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Thanks Micke and EdNorth, for your addenda/corrigenda; much appreciated.
Further to post 682, this Me 262 is W.Nr. 110 506; information courtesy of Franck Benoîton, over on German airplanes from the Second World War group, FB. Cheers Marc |
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Is that an anti-tank cannon mounted under the wing in post #680?
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Yes, Ju-87G, it had one under each wing and was put to great effect by Hans-Ulrich Rudel and others.
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[quote=Snautzer;245622][list=1][*]Bf109, Me323 Sicily https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-ph...YAAOSwDApaWB1t
Bf 109 G-4 W.Nr. 15127 "DJ+BJ", "Schwarze 2", 8./JG 53, found at Castelvetrano, Sicily, 13 July 1943. Cheers Marc |
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Some wrecks along the lower Rhône Valley:
Ju 88 A, Valence, shot down 27 July 1944: http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...&i=22&id=71102 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc....html?id=92582 He 111 H, Romans area, August 1944. http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...&i=28&id=73077 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...4&i=8&id=76457 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...i=12&id=121638 Hs 126, Romans area, August 1944 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...&i=15&id=92205 Ju 88 A, Montélimar-Ancône, August 1944 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...&i=13&id=92555 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...&i=27&id=86138 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...&i=3&id=116529 http://www.memoire-drome.com/recherc...&i=30&id=72045 Cheers Marc |
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An excellent find. The He 111 seems to be the KG 26 machine mentioned here: http://www.ghostbombers.com/dragoon/usn19.html (Unfortunately, the link to Paul Mathevet's page, where I found the details, no longer works).
The Ju 88s are probably from KG 26 too, but there are many possibilities: http://www.ghostbombers.com/dragoon/appx1b.html |
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Thanks again, Nick, for your precious background informations
Cheers Marc |
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Some planes found in Austria:
Hs 126 and Ar 96, Klagenfurt, Summer 1946. http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.d...34108?skip=3#1 He 162, Wien-Schwechat, 1945. http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.d...34108?skip=3#2 He 219 "VO+BC", V3 and V23, Wien Schwechat, 1945 - 1946. http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.d...34108?skip=3#3 http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.d...34108?skip=3#4 http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.d...34108?skip=6#6 http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.d...4108?skip=9#10 He 280 "GJ+CB", Wien-Schwechat, 1945. http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.d...34108?skip=8#8 Cheers Marc |
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Different wrecks at Trapani:
https://0vx9dq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Photog...19.m1438.l2649 Regards, Rudi. |
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Post 697 - Boneyard
The wing suggest a trainer of some sorts plus the style of the STKZ markings SY+A? to the right showing the crumpled fuselage. The STKZ of the wing ??+AB. I would suggest that this is a Bu181C-2 - SY+AB. Does anybody know the location? |
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Snautzer,
I thank you for your excellent work. Along with other contributors. Regards, Ed |
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Thanks Ed, i also do enjoy the input of other contributors and i hope that our combined effort can help to some small extent the research of our fellow members.
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Not from ebay but possibly of interest:
Bf 109 F of III./JG 27 at Maryut North Africa: http://www.fjexpeditions.com/desert/...ostert0209.jpg Captured He 111 in RAF markings (ditto): http://www.fjexpeditions.com/desert/...ostert0187.jpg Many Allied aircraft photos in the same collection online. |
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Hello Snautzer and Tom,
Thanks again for the postings and data. Regarding Post #697, If this is a Bü 181, then I have the following nearby Zlin/O-built aircraft: Bü 181 C-2 (WNr. 331434) St.Kz. SY+AD Bü 181 C-2 (WNr. 331443) St.Kz. SY+AM Probably making yours: Bü 181 C-2 (WNr. 331432) St.Kz. SY+AB. My records show that the 100th BS, 100th BG was at Neubiberg, and probably other nearby bases. Respectfully, Steve Sheflin |
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Ju 88 A W.Nr. xxx 466 "4D+??" "PI+??", Paris, late August 1944:
https://www.gettyimages.ch/detail/na...re-id526679620 Cheers Marc |
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Ju 88, France, 6 September 1944.
Original caption: "World War Two. France. 6th September 1944. Black Widow P-61 night fighter station. Pilots of the Black Widow on the ground, inspect the remains of a wrecked Junkers 88." https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...ure-id79052249 |
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Bf 109 G, La Marsa, Tunis, May 1943:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Original-...8AAOSwMkJaYfvX Cheers Marc |
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For this 109, photo reverse appears to say Bizerte.
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Marc:
FWIW, you identify this as a Bf 109 G-6 found at Comiso, Sicily in your Flickr steam... I believe it to be a G-4, however. Mark Proulx |
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One "Winkel 2" and this "Winkel 2 -" being one of them. Franck. |
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In this image, or others, I am not seeing the aft portion of cowl bulge (characteristic of the G-6) on the fuselage or evidence that one was previously fitted.
Mark Proulx |
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Also want to point out this coded <2-+-, displaying two bars.
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Mark,
We might well have one of the 10 Bf 109 G-2 or G-4 found at Bizerte - Sidi Ahmed for which no tactical markings were recorded. Cheers Marc |
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I have seen one photo of several Bf-109s removed from a visible railway tunnel by American troops. They were painted with a mottled pattern near the top, but the photo was taken at an angle where no fuselage markings could be seen. No location was given.
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No tactical markings doesn't mean that can have a possible "match" with these "Winkel 2 + - " and "Winkel 2 - + - " ... Among those "10" we have: one 6./JG53 one II./JG51 one 2.JG77 ... with a JL marking, not a code but a marking Left Ausgebrannt and Schrott machines with no indications ... Left the machine we are talking about have a well readable marking . ... And you are making a very short cut between "Bizerte" and "On the road between Tunis and Bizerte" ! And it's not exactly the same meaning ... You don't know the road this caption does indicate, you don't know if the actual possible roads did exist during 1943 and you don't know which one they took between Tunis and Bizerte. ... "Between Tunis & Bizerte" doesn't mean Bizerte and on the road between them you can find La Marsa, Mateur, Chaouat, Jedeida, Karouba, Cebalat (La Sebala) ... and so on. All fields where machines have been found - with or without code. Last, one "Winkel" of II./JG53 have been found at La Marsa and it's the only one we have in the list... and it happens, TWO have been pictured at the same place and one of them was 18031. And yes, one, <2-+-, is not in the list .. but on pictures. So, La Marsa. Cheers! |
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wrecks in Italy:
https://0vwrow.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none https://0vxo0w.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none https://www.ebay.com/itm/1943-44-ant...19.m1438.l2649 Ju 88: https://0vusga.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-...19.m1438.l2649 Bf 110: https://0vxhja.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-...19.m1438.l2649 Regards, Rudi. |
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Fw 190 & Me 262 WNr 111728 or 113728 at Neubiberg:
https://0vviaq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none https://www.ebay.com/itm/CAPTURED-Me...19.m1438.l2649 Regards, Rudi |
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Thank you, Rudi. The triangle on the tail of the aircraft in post #717 is the largest example I've seen. And the mystery about the purpose of this marking remains.
Best, Ed |
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Ju 188's and He 111 H "Just out from Kiel", May 1945.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-German-...oAAOSwaC9aajld Bf 110 G-4 http://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-German-N...MAAOSwkvdaajJc Me 262 "Weisse 5", Fassberg, May 1945 http://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-German-R...8AAOSwMqBaair~ He 162 http://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-German-R...wAAOSwbWZaaiau Cheers Marc |
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