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Just an observation, the plane has no Erla canopy.

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Darn, don't know how I missed that.

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Anybody seen this one before I just found it one Facebook of all places

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...38438499_o.jpg

Looks very much like a colour photo of 109Ks the closest one with RLM 81/82 fuselage but 74/75 wing?

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The latest Bf 109K fuselages - unpainted lower surfaces, only a snake-form streak of RLM 76 to equalize poor pre-fab painting of the fuselages. Where does this photo come from? According to my infos the final assembly of the K-4 was done in secondary factories like Waldwerke, KZ-dependencies etc. Maybe parts of Fliegerhorst Obertraubling?

Servus

Roland

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Phas3e and Roland,

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/11550417415
This pic was taken after 17 April 1945 at Nürnberg A/F. It stems from the Collection Rulison and was published in Luftwaffe im Focus 20, photo 5.

You're correct, Roland: those are the latest known airframes which lower fuselages and bottom were left unpainted, having this "Bodenwöhr snake" streak of RLM 76 equalizing roughly the RLM 81/82 with the unpainted fuselage surfaces....Those shown are from the W.Nr. 335 xxx batch.

Cheers
Marc

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Fascinating, Never knew of this scheme before. Would love to see a color profile of it. Also, is it me or does the aircraft in that FB picture have one wing in 75/82 and the other wing 81/82? They appear to be finished differently.

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Dear Gentlemen,

I am sorry to ask a maybe foolish question, but i visit this wonderful thread since one year and I could not watch the flickr pictures. If i click on the link there is a message on flickr "this content is not avaiable for you" Can someone help me please?

Thanks in advance,

Matthias

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Matthias,

The first basic question is "do you have a Yahoo/Flickr account?".... If not, you have to register. :)

Regards, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

That´s not the problem, Franck.
You can register as many times as you want at Yahoo/FlickR here in Germany - "this content is not available for you", i.e. you are not allowed to watch photographs with swastikas. Some kind of homemade censorship. I tried dozens of times to bypass this blockade - with no success :-(

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AH OK Roland!

Didn't know. Sorry Matthias.... Use a VPN, like we do in China!.. :)

In the mean time, David's site is displaying Swastika and Hartmann sites either; aren't they?

Means if Yahoo/Flickr was German born and based in Germany Marc would have the possibility to write: "This is an historical site and we don't pretend to defend any political bla bla bla ..." that's it?

Did you both try to change your internet options, changing german language for English language in the tool box??? This happened for some eBay stuffs and we made it ...

Regards, Franck.

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Yep, after re-installing my OS some weeks ago I lost the ability to access Marc's album, too :( Tried language resetting, proxy IP sites, different ZIP codes in the registration - nothing works any more. Very sad; perhaps Flickr will change its policy in the future ...

On topic: While browsing on the web I found this picture (unknown to me) of an Erla-built (?) G-14/AS or G-10 from II./JG 3: It seems to originate from a Soviet source, so possibly the crash happened somewhere in Pomerania or Mecklenburg. Note the striking resemblancies with well-known Bf 109 G-10 490137 "White 14", which landed at Rinkaby, Sweden on 24 April 1945...Well, hopefully one more for the collection.

Cheers,
Christian

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Hmmm...for some reason the forum software won't display the link. So here is the photo attached:

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Nice find Christian! Thanks.
....
Few weeks ago Yahoo/Flickr was in big trouble. I had to change my registration too (mail address, name and so on. Didn't accept my old password anymore; specially Flickr.)

Remember Yahoo was deeply concerned by that last "Bleed heart" security failure ...

Regards, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hello Christian and Franck,

The presence of its oil filler hatch in the lower position suggests that 12+ - black is probably a G-14/AS.

Steve Sheflin

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Just (re)discovering your connection troubles coming out of a camel borne trip in Wadi Rum, Jordan. I can't add anything intelligent about those troubles: the account owner obviously can't do anything about Flickr's policy...which dirsen't even inform the owner that he is flagged...

As for your great find, Christian, I concur with Steve: it is an Erla built Bf 109 G-14/AS. The W.Nr. Digits can be faintly seen above the tail swastika.. Great find, thanks!

Cheers
Marc

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Hmmm ... How Jorg do succeed to comment photos in your Flickr page then? Is he not german living in Germany? And he is not the only one....

Welcome back Marc!

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I'm not Jörg, but I dare to speculate: It might have something to do with old cookies, registry entries (or something similar) on your computer, that where implemented before Flickr changed its settings and made access from Germany virtually impossible. I lost my access only after I reset my operating system some weeks ago - so something important might have been erased then...

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Floks,

Back from Jordan, I tackled this morning the settings of my account. I found to my big surprise that most of my pics were on restricted and edited to be seen only by my friends. I just am finishing batch editing all 4150 pictures setting them on "safe" and "public view". This will certainly ease your access issues. Let me know if this helps, as I do hope.

Cheers
Marc

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Hey Marc,
know what? It works :) Thanks, great! Now let's hope it lasts!

Cheers,
Christian

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@ Marc,

nice way to solve that annoying problem. Well done, now Your flickr-collection is visible for me too.

Cheerio and "Gopfried Stutz"
Norbert

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Christian, Nordpol, thanks for the feedback! Hoping now that Kees and Roland - and all others ! - can also access ;-))

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks , Marc, for finding the solution.
Seems to work fine, now - it´s always the little things to provide a solution - but difficult to find ;-)

Servus

Roland

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Glad it works now, Roland! Looking forward for your inputs, as ever.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hello Marc,

These two pictures:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/KLASSE-FOTO-K...item338f15f361
http://www.ebay.de/itm/KLASSE-FOTO-K...item338f15fe8b

You have to compare with the following one in your collection, better:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9509224102

or that one (with different location !!!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/8642185089

Cheers, Franck.

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Last,
on picture's back it's writen Sachau, 5-44 ... Which is ANOTHER place!!!! Than Rottenburg, Bad Wörishofen or I don't know what else.

And

5./JG 3, indeed.

Regards, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Franck,

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/14223935045/

Given what Jochen Prien states for this group of merry pilots portrayed, they are 6./JG 3, depicted in May 1944 at Bad Wörishofen.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Yep Marc,

I understand ... BUT! :)

1/ Rotenburg - (Mombeeck)
for II./JG 3 is a good solution but obviously the photo doesn't seems to be taken in February.

2/ Bad Wörishofen?
II./JG 3 wasn't in Bad Wörishofen in May; III./JG 3 was.

3/ Sachau:
II./JG 3 was based at Gardelegen from 1/3/1944 to 7/6/1944 (all Group) ... with a detachment at Sachau, 27.4.44 - 7.6.44

Regards, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks Franck!

Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hello,

There was no RLM 83 on fighters...

JCM

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Gang,

I chanced on two interesting pics on photo-war.com which are in dire need of full captions:

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/14857550697/
IMHO, this is an Erla built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 46. ... "Gelbe 4", 3./JG 52 (?), location unknown, Germany, Summer 1945. Source: www.photo-war.com. Any idea about the location and unit?

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/15050584765/
IMHO, an Erla built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 46. ... "Schwarze ?", 2./JG 5, location unknown, Northern Norway, Spring 1945. Source: www.photo-war.com, ID 4785. Any specific loss data?

Thanks in advance, folks!
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Marc,
the first photo seems to belong to the same set of pictures as the rather famous one with Fw 190 "<3+", lying atop on a Ju 52 (printed e.g. in Classic Publication's "Jagdwaffe - War in the East 1944-45", p.154).
On russian websites I have seen some of those images captioned as "Groß Dirschkeim". If this is true, then the airfield in question is most likely Fliegerhorst Brüsterort in East Prussia. According to ww2.dk this airfield was home to I. and III./JG 51 during the spring of 1945, so perhaps our Bf 109 belonged to one of this Gruppen.

Cheers,
Christian

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Brilliant, Christian, many many thanks!

In fact, the well known Fw 190 "<3+", lying atop on a Ju 52, is next in line with the G-14 pic on that website (ID 5403). The general surrounding seems similar enough.

Thanks again!
Marc

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You're welcome :) Hope all is well with you!

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All good, Christian, hope you too...

I realize I had already another pic of the same machine, found here:
http://www.forgottenairfields.com/ru...koye-s778.html

We progress... I will regroup both airfields under "Gross Dirschkeim, Königsberg".

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi ther4e Gang!

Here we go with another question:

Thanks to Franck, I was made attentive that an Erla factory W.Nr. can be seen on this pic, stemming fro www.jg300.de,

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/7866222580/
Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 41. ... "Grüne 8", Lt. Rudi Winter, 11./JG 300, Jüterbog-Waldlager, end of July 1944. Source: jg300.de.

After scorching our eyes, the first four digits are 36 82x. Thus this machine stems from the 36 xxxx Erla factory W.Nr. batch. I would be very grateful to have the actual RLM W.Nr.


Many thanks in advance!
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Gang,

Thanks to Franck, we now have another W.Nr. candidate for an Erla built machine:

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/7866222580/
Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 41. ... "Grüne 8", Lt. Rudi Winter, 11./JG 300, Jüterbog-Waldlager, end of July 1944. Source: jg300.de.

The digits seem to be 36 82x, the last one being out of rame or illegible. This brings us back to a known eerie of Erla factory W.Nr.'s Any idea as to what RLM W.Nr. was given for this particular 36 820-36 829 batch?

All my thanks in advance
Marc

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1.) Regarding Lorant the pilot wasn't Lt. Rudi Winter but Lt. Kurt Gabler (page 141 - 143, volume 1).
2.) Regarding Lorant it wasn't an "Green 8" but an "Red 8".
3.) Regarding Lorant it was Wiebaden-Erbenheim, March 1944, and not Jüterbog - Waldlager, July 1944.
---> Change your sources!

I don't know where you see an 36 82x? I see an 36 xxx only ... and an 36820 - 36829 batch is nonsense, didn't exist ... you can say that's from 411xxx - batch ... not more not less, sorry ...

Greetings
Rasmussen

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Tanks for your help Jörg!

Much appreciated
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

indeed Marc, I have to agree with Jorg and politely urge you, " change your sources.."

a couple of pages from Gabler's logbook were even reproduced in Volume II of the JG 300 history (Lorant/Goyat) in order to "assist" the webmaster of jg300.de correct the information on his pages. Of course, he hasn't updated those pages, no idea why not. He's completely lost with JG 300 images obtained third or fourth hand !

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Cool,

"Green 8" comes from Neil's blog in order to correct Bobo's.
And I'm sorry Jorg but I, not Marc, see 3682 but can be 3632 too ... Only 36.2 are clear enough.