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Me 163

https://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-German-...75.c100623.m-1

Gotha 242
https://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-Photo-G...75.c100623.m-1

DFS 230

https://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-Photo-G...75.c100623.m-1

Me 321

https://www.ebay.de/itm/3-x-WWII-Pho...4AAOSwQwZaaw5x

Usual disclaimer,
Ed

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Some never seen photos taken at Pitomnik, February 1943 here:
http://svetkuban.livejournal.com/819041.html

Cheers
Marc

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Fw 190, el-Aouina (?), Tunis, 1943.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-FW-...gAAOSwlzRabfv6

He 111 H-16 "SV+IV", Italy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-ger...QAAOSwfpBabbwK

Fw 190 W.Nr. 6310, Southern Italy, 1943 (?)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Destroyed-ha...MAAOSwZ3Babe5e

Ju 87 D, Lecce, Fall 1943.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Stu...UAAOSwqaJabeaK

Ju 88 A, Italy, date unknown.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JU-88-german...cAAOSw6lRabeJU

Cheers
Marc

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Marc

'Your' Fw 190 looks like an early model (A-2/A-3) and the only WNr I can find which fits is 5310.

Cheers
Stig

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Thanks Stig for pointing towards this correct W.Nr. Any information known for this bird ?

Cheers
Marc

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Bf 109:
https://0vxvgg.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-US-Phot...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109 & 108:
https://0vvwjw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-GI-orig...19.m1438.l2649

He 111:
https://rqqklq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-GI-orig...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109:
https://rq9qog.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-ORIGIN...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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The bird 5310 was used by JGr. West and made 45% on 13.04.1943 (reported as A-3). On 27.05.1943 was at AGO FRW Villacoublay (reported as A-2).
Before that it was with Stab III./JG 26 Black <<+I "Jutta".

Regards
Dirk

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Many thanks, Dirk. Thanks to your information, there is a fair chance this Fw 190 A-2 was indeed found at Villacoublay

Sincerely
Marc

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Many thanks RudiS for your finds:

The first Bf 109 is a nagging issue: this Erla produced Bf 109 G-6 "Schwarzer Winkel kleine 2" - probably from Stab II./JG 53, was at first thought to have been found at Comiso, in July 1943. Though no definitive evidence has arisen since, there is a distinct possibility this machine was found at La Marsa, in May 1943.

The second - burnt out - Bf 109 is a G-10 as ascertained by the remains of the D/F loop and the full circle oil tank behind the spinner base. I have no clue as to which Munich airfield the caption refers.

The third Bf 109 is WNF built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 511 500, "Weisse 10", piloted by Uffz. Willi Smelka, 9./JG 52, which crash landed near Oppeln, 27 January 1945.

Cheers
Marc

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hi,

the bu 181 might be nachtschlacht-versions: no codes, black sides, etc under the fuselage.

all the best
jim

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Agreed but there's no sign of Panzerfaust mountings on the wings, as far as I can make out. If it is a Bavarian airfield then 3. Panzerjagdstaffel was at Kaubeuren and the 10. had been in Straubing prior to transferring into Luftflotte 4's area.

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Hi Marc,
Bolstering your G-10 contention for the burned-out Bf 109: Note the barely visible, three out of four, light colored, DB 605 D Electrical connectors near its firewall.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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hi,

nachtschlacht-buckers did fly with bombs; panzerfaust-buckers with panzerfausts :-) so these have bombracks and no panzerfaust-mountings...

all the best

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different types:
https://rq8afw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Aviation-arm...19.m1438.l2649

https://rq94ww.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-German...19.m1438.l2649

https://rq8t0a.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-Arm...19.m1438.l2649

He 111 B3+JM at Middelkerke June 2nd 1940:
https://rqp1iw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dunkirk-Bea...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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Thanks for those Rudi,

We have here probably a Bf 109 G-14; hard for me to say more. Any other informations from other members ?

Cheers
Marc

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If they ever actually flew! All of the Bü 181 NSKdos. that I know of (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and one other) were being established on northern airfields as of 5 April 1945. The photo is supposed to have been taken in Bavaria however.

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hi,
they did fly, but it is hard to say if they flew successflug missions :-)
you can find similar machines with etc in moellers Nachtschlacht-book or in jet & prop photo-archive no. 6.
all the best
jim

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Both of which I have (and one of which I contributed to) but records of actual operations have eluded me so far (I can't remember right now if Christian Möller had any). There are some accounts of ops by Panzerjagdstaffeln (by Rick Chapman in Scale Models, and another article in Jet & Prop, both of which I have somewhere but would be hard-pressed to find).

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Post 734:

#5: this is the same Bf 110G as #1.

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Marc,

The one called Brünnhilde a G-14?? Upon the colors you could say that ?? But model with reduced power, still flying , but only 1 HP,

Rémi

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Yes Rémi

It is a very unusual Messerschmitt design. Was actually finalised by Halberstadt and it was given the designation CL.II :)
Joking aside, dear Brünhilde was used by Schlachtstaffel 27b and was a pet propaganda subject. Poor Thea behind was shot down on 27.8.1918 with the unit commander actually surviving the ordeal.

Cheers
Stig

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Ju 188 in color
http://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-Photo-Ge...gAAOSwD39acyJq

Me 163
http://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-Photo-Ge...oAAOSwsZJacwwH

Bf 109 G-10 "Gelbe 6", 3./JGr. 300, München-Riem, May 1945.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-Photo-Ge...sAAOSwEYBacw74

Cheers
Marc

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2 more photos of captured Ju 88, same as in post #742:
https://rqpura.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1943-USAAF-...19.m1438.l2649

https://rq9juq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1943-USAAF-...19.m1438.l2649

more Ju 88's:
https://rqp80g.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Army-Fro...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109:
https://rq9xrw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Berlin-GERM...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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[/quote]
Bf 109:
https://rq9xrw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Berlin-GERM...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.[/quote]

Rudi, you found us a great Bf 109 K-4 shot, probably of 9./JG 3.

Thanks !
Marc

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2 x Me 262: bottom one is WNr 111918. Top one the same a/c?
https://qpo8iw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-War-I...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109:
https://qprxqw.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Rear-Vi...19.m1438.l2649
https://qppyda.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Luftwaf...19.m1438.l2649

https://qpon6q.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-US-Phot...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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Given by Dan O'Connell as "This jet of Stab I./JG 7 marked with a single black chevron, was captured by American forces near the Dutch border in 1945."

I'm a bit doubtful about that location, because of where American forces had reached in 1945 and where I./JG 7 was. I wonder if it was in fact Brandenburg-Briest?

P.S. that Bf 109 K-4, 9+ı, seems to have a partial Werk Nummer stencilled on the rear fuselage, ending in "…50".

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Indeed, Nick. Given the late Mtt camouflage pattern, we can narrow down a bit the actual W.Nr. between the W.Nr. 332 x50 and 335 x50.

Cheers
Marc

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Hello everyone,
Regarding the Ju 88 hulk in Wellenmuster camouflage (lower photo in Post #748), could the print possibly be flopped? I ask this because of the open section in its lower fuselage and the possibility that it was where the Luft-Torpedo control bump might have been removed. These were mounted on the port side of the cockpit.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Great find, Michiel. This is Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 460 374 "Schwarze 2", 2./JG 27 (?), Brussels Melsbroek, Autumn 1944. W.Nr. identification courtesy of Anders Hjörtsberg, 25 February 2014.

Other photos of this machine can be seen here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...-irAbQY-cH7DbS
www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/7685196554/

A third one is published by Jerry Crandall in his 2003 Wings of the Black Cross 1, p. 18.

Cheers
Marc

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Gents,

Post 748 – Nick, I agree that the aforementioned photo of this Me 262 was probably found at Brandenburg-Breist. The new photos are clear evidence that the aircraft was dragged to a new location away from the hangers. The Americans discovered the trying to tow the Me 262 by the nose wheel quickly snapped it off. What worked much better was to loop a cable over the fin and horizontal stabilizers. Pulling it from the back caused the cable to bite into the fin leading edge and hook onto the strongest part of the tail unit where the adjustment mechanism for the HS inclination was located. The wrecks at Lechfeld show lots of evidence for this methodology. However, here the cable must have slipped of the mechanism and rode up the fin to rip the top of the fin off, perhaps as it was descending a slope.

Post 751 – Steve, take a look at the jeep on the left. The steering wheel is located on the left side to the vehicle, confirming the photo is correctly printed. As well, the pilot seat is in the right position too (left side). You must have had a late shift!

Cheers,

David

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Dave....you got me.

Thanks

Steve Sheflin

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Fw 190:
https://qprqua.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-WWII-45T...19.m1438.l2649

Different wrecks. The seller has a whole bunch of negatives for sale. I have just uploaded a few of them. You can see them all here:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/ww2-origina...19.m1438.l2654
https://qpprlq.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://qpogog.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://qpqhfg.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none
https://qpouma.bn1302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none

Regards,
Rudi

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#748 and #755
Access to control cables and wiring was left side of Ju 88 cockpit side. Number on nose R.1074 (fuselage number) but last two of W.Nr. abowe, painted over.

My info comes out as ....
142466 Ju 88 A-4 I/KG 76 (Luftflotte 2) 15% at Foggia 28.05.43,
clearly abandoned at later stages

Image rang a bell, but also on Flickr.com, so copy of copy ??

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...tach_id=860588

#756 lower portion
Hanau is "Hannau/Langendiebach" re the two destroyed Ju 88 G-6 620678 and 621191
(Ref: US A-report )

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Thanks for the info, Ed

I have asked the seller about the R number on the nose of #748 and he says he reads the number as R1874.

Regards,
Rudi.

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Maybe, hard to say. Maybe. Part is painted out.
There are candidates in 822xxx range, also Foggia area.
FYI there is not exact nummerical correlation to W.Nrs.

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Hi
Does anyone know where this pictures of the abandoned Me410 had been taken? Bavarian aerea?

Thanks for any answer in advance
Regards
Harry