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RT 29th December 2010 12:52

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 
Ju188S-5 New bird ??

Rémi

Marcel van Heijkop 29th December 2010 14:43

Ju 88 S-3 picture
 
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Hi Clint,

Here it is, you can see the aircraft code above the swastika so it's not the one on the front page of your book.

BTW: Is the "Le Culot" book any good? Does it contain photos of Ju 88s (wrecks or not..) or lists of aircraft found on the airfield?

Regards,

Marcel

Marcel van Heijkop 29th December 2010 14:48

Thanks!
 
Andy Mitchell and Dan Gilberti,

Thanks a lot for your generous help! Much appreciated.

Marcel

Marcel van Heijkop 29th December 2010 14:58

Ju 188 S-5
 
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Originally Posted by RT (Post 119798)
Ju188S-5 New bird ??

Rémi

Hi Rémi,

I assume that it's just a mistake made by the British. I'm not aware that such a subtype existed and I never found any evidence (photos, accounts) from I./KG66 veterans that they ever had such a type. As can be shown from the list by Seaplanes (Thank you, BTW!), I only knew that at this stage of the war they flew the Ju 188 D-2.

But maybe experts like Ed North and Artie Bob can enlighten us about this aircraft by judging from the W.Nr.?

ClinA-78 29th December 2010 16:24

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 
Featured in 'Le Culot' book :

-Ju 87 WNr. 412211
-Ju 88 G WNr. 620742 G9+FT
-FW 190 A-8 WNr. 731730 (with a large tally on the rudder)
-Bf 109 G-6

Best regards

ClinA-78

Seaplanes 29th December 2010 20:05

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 
The list im have used as basis for the information was made by Oberquartiermeister/Leitende Ingenieur beim Komm.Gen.d.dt.Lw.in Norwegen Br. Nr. 6977/45 geheim and dated 7. Mai 1945, so no British mistakes in this case, but may be a German one. I have never heard about the Ju 188S-5, but it is written like that in the list.

Marcel van Heijkop 29th December 2010 20:54

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaplanes (Post 119829)
The list im have used as basis for the information was made by Oberquartiermeister/Leitende Ingenieur beim Komm.Gen.d.dt.Lw.in Norwegen Br. Nr. 6977/45 geheim and dated 7. Mai 1945, so no British mistakes in this case, but may be a German one. I have never heard about the Ju 188S-5, but it is written like that in the list.

Hi Seaplanes,

Thanks for the correction! That's how knowledge increases... (Is this a Signatur in the BAMA Freiburg or does it come from the Riksarkivet?)

Regards,

Marcel

ju55dk 30th December 2010 07:46

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaplanes (Post 119829)
The list im have used as basis for the information was made by Oberquartiermeister/Leitende Ingenieur beim Komm.Gen.d.dt.Lw.in Norwegen Br. Nr. 6977/45 geheim and dated 7. Mai 1945, so no British mistakes in this case, but may be a German one. I have never heard about the Ju 188S-5, but it is written like that in the list.

It's German typo. Wnr. 150576 is a D-2 with Skz. CZ+BD built by Siebel 1944.

Junker

edNorth 31st December 2010 12:27

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 
hi,

Labelling all of the I/KG 66 Ju 188 aircraft flying to Norway as D-2 is (most) likely wrong - In my opinion - Judging from known strength list 31.12.44 (ww2.dk) - Then I/KG 66 only had Ju 88 S-3´s on strength - But BAMA data has, the I/KG 66 was indeed issued 14 aircraft on 26.02.45 (5) and 24.02.45 (9) of the Ju 188 D-3 (Beleuter) version. These had been converted (Umbau) over previous few weeks from Ju 188 D-2 (Recce) aircraft. So far, all known or indentified Ju 188 D-3´s, were from Siebel production.

I can not judge "Ju 188 S-5" out as typo per se, I prefer to let it stand as it is! It could by yet another (minor) modification of Ju 188 A-2 / D-2, but so far, I have no other record of this particular machine, or if it was a "special" Umbau.

Remember, the I/KG 66 was a Kampfgeschwader (Bomber Unit) and the "S" does indeed suggest a Bomber version. Also the (Ju88) S-1 and S-3 were built and used in some numbers. It´s not that unlikely there were some few (Ju188) S-5´s too.

Finally a happy and prosperous new year to all.
ed

Seaplanes 31st December 2010 13:32

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 
The list I referred to also contains some information on the equipment of these K.G.66 aircraft. The three Ju 188D-2 aircraft listed all had 2 x 131 guns + one 120 mm cannon. They could be used as Zerstörer or Aufklärer. The Ju 188S-5 had the same equipment.


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