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nemo7777777 27th September 2007 15:45

Re: Luftwaffe photos & items collection
 
Just great! As it wasn't, with Ed's postings, already enough difficult for authors or publishers without very deep pockets to buy unpublished material for publication use, now one can be sure that not a single interesting pic will escape the big black hole, in which all the valuable material simply disappear!P.S. I won't even try to explain, once again, why the listing of these Ebay pics would be good enough, if it was done after the auctions have ended, if it was really only for knowledge sharing.

Roger Gaemperle 27th September 2007 16:09

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Nemo,

I understand your concerns. I therefore offered the voting poll to see if the majority is against or for it. In my opinion the concerns are not really justified, but that is my personal opinion and I am sure other people see it differently.

I think that people who spend hundreds of dollars must be really keen on these photos and will find all these photos even without the help of Ed and now my blog. But with Ed and the blog the photos are also shown to others who are interested in the historical value of the photos.

If the majority thinks it is better to post the links and photos after the auctions have ended, I will do that.

In addition, I won't only post links but would prefer to have more informative articles like the ones about the Agfa photopaper or the Me 109 K-4 instrument panel. So, if anybody has something to contribute I would be very glad to hear from you.

It could also be a very good place to show some items of ones personal collection (like Steve for example suggested with the data plates).

I would like that the blog becomes a resource of informative articles that is interesting to most of you and covers a broader range than merely photos. I don't want to upset anybody and am open to suggestions how to make the blog better.

Regards
Roger Gaemperle

kormoran 27th September 2007 17:26

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Because most of the people in this forum aren't interesting
in buying photos but only in gathering informations without
money - greetings to Rob Romero, Larry Hickey and guys like these -
we all know that the mass will agree with you and Ed. Nothing
against you but I don't like this practice in listing running auctions
before they end

piero 27th September 2007 18:19

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hi,

I've noted that after the auctions are ended, i'ts impossible to see the photos

piero

veltro 27th September 2007 18:52

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Roger, keep on with your efforts. As well as those of Ed, they're much appreciated by people interested in history who sees in photographs an useful (often irreplaceable) tool to work with. After all, this is why people should be here, shouldn't they?

nemo7777777 27th September 2007 19:20

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"I've noted that after the auctions are ended, i'ts impossible to see the photos." Usually, the pictures stay there for about 7 weeks (sometimes even more), only a few of them disappear immediately and I don't think it's too much work, for the people interested in doing these listings, to save them on their harddrives."...who sees in photographs an useful (often irreplaceable) tool to work with."This is the real problem. How can you "work with", with something you have no way to get, in a reasonable economical way (aviation publishing has very narrow financial margins). For instance, how can a guy working on a book project on the 109E "work with" these Ebay photographs, as he can't get any of them, except the crap ones, which would be anyway useless in convincing a buyer to get his book? Yes, what percentage of the good Ebay pics sold for the past four years have you seen published in book or magazines? Nah, the current situation is a BIG black hole!

FalkeEins 27th September 2007 20:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nemo7777777 (Post 51301)
For instance, how can a guy working on a book project on the 109E "work with" these Ebay photographs, as he can't get any of them, except the crap ones, which would be anyway useless in convincing a buyer to get his book? Yes, what percentage of the good Ebay pics sold for the past four years have you seen published in book or magazines? Nah, the current situation is a BIG black hole!

..have you tried asking the vendor or the buyer post-auction nicely..?

and take a look at Lynn Ritger's latest manual - he successfully managed to fill his 109 F-G book chock full of great Ebay finds, from the Galland 'series' to JG 300 items... I doubt he bought them all himself...

veltro 28th September 2007 01:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nemo7777777 (Post 51301)
How can you "work with" with something you have no way to get, in a reasonable economical way (aviation publishing has very narrow financial margins).

I don't ever take part in any bidding, for principle.

I use the images linked by Ed as a tool to learn. To own isn't always necessary.

And in a couple of cases where I needed higher resolution scans, I asked the bidder, explaining who I was and the reasons for my request, and obtained what I asked for. That's it.

People have worked and researched for years without eBay. I think it can be used as a tool, not that it should become the "only way" or even the purpose of research.

IMHO, of course.

Roger Gaemperle 29th September 2007 10:54

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Hello,

So far I have kept the links and item-IDs as most of you voted for keeping the links and also because I think that the people who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars for a photo will also be willing to spend some time to find these photos themselves. So, I don't think that posting the links will have a big impact on prices as it doesn't really change the situation. However, the scans may be valuable information for many historians and other people interested in the Luftwaffe.

To make things a bit more interactive, I have posted today a brainteaser, i.e. a small photo that shows an "unidentified" Luftwaffe aircraft. You can vote what your guess is. As there are only 4 options offered it might not be that difficult :-)

Also, I have added a separate blog for instruments & aircraft related parts. You can easily navigate between them using the links provided on the upper right part of the blog if you are interested in all topics.

Kind regards
Roger Gaemperle

John Vasco 29th September 2007 11:32

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[quote=nemo7777777; Yes, what percentage of the good Ebay pics sold for the past four years have you seen published in book or magazines? Nah, the current situation is a BIG black hole![/quote]

Stirring the shit again, Nemo, about e-bay photos. Don't you ever give up? Go buy the right books, and then you'll see quite a few of them. And there'll be more surfacing in books in the next 12 months - well in one book at least, but modesty forbids me to say who the author is. So get off the back of people who pick up photos on e-bay and then use them in published works. I could send you a list of all the photos I've used in my works from your so-called 'BIG black hole', but you would not believe me.

So get off Roger's back also. He's doing a great thing with his blog - a service to those with an interest in the subject. If you don't like the fact that he and Ed post e-bay auction lists, don't feckin' look at them!!! Simple.


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