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vingtor 5th January 2005 13:49

Thanks Stein, this really helps. I think I will try making a profile drawing.

Regarding the red spinner, do you have any ideas whether that would be bright red or dull red (i.e. brown) as on the roundels?

Yellow leading edges on the wings sounds strange on a bare metal aircraft, but it might be correct though.

Nils

Stein Meum 5th January 2005 13:59

The colour would be bright red.
The yellow leading edges were prescribed for all fighter a/c of the RAF,whether camouflaged or not.They are fairly difficult to see on nat.met. a/c and black/white photos.

Stein

P.S. For some reason I'm not receiving notification via e-mail of replies to this topic any more.Your first replies to this topic,Nils,were notified normally,though.

Franek Grabowski 5th January 2005 14:44

Stein

Quote:

The Mk. III was camouflaged,the scheme being fairly consistent with published instructions.Basically U.S. DuPont shades of British colours.In some cases the U.S. Gray was repainted with British Ocean Grey.White I.D. stripes on fin and tailplanes.The white was also applied on the nose and spinners but usually overpainted.
Extremally few Mk III retained their original US colours. Generally they were overpainted with British paints and it is not possible at the moment to link pattern to serial.
White stripes on fin appeared only for a short period of time in early 1944. I cannot coment on further evolution of recognition markings.
Also spinners are the subject for a lenghty discussion.

Concerning WHC aircraft, I am afraid that nobody would recall such detail like placing of individual codes, nonetheless I do not know any of 316 Sqn pilots of the period anyway. Polish Squadrons are among best photographed, so I will have a closer look if WHC appears there but I am afraid there is only a photo of Christie himself.

By the way, you may check ORBs of 150 Wing Squadrons as they may have recorded a serial for his aircraft.

Best wishes

Hendrik 5th January 2005 15:04

Stein,

Thank you for sharing this sad news.

On the subject of Norwegian Wing Commanders I know that Rolf Arne Berg was one of them. Other names that come to my mind are Helge Mehre and Jon Ryg but I am not sure of these last two. These three flew with No.132 (Norwegian) Wing.

Kind regards,
Hendrik

Kjetil Aakra 5th January 2005 20:06

Christie's Mustang
 
Hello all.

Sorry to interupt this very interesting discussion, but could you please comment on this rendering of Mustang IVa, WHC, which is based on the description given in this thread? If possible, I'd like to release it as a skin for the flight simulator Il-2 Forgotten battles to commemorate Christie.

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_1.jpg

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_2.jpg

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_3.jpg

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_4.jpg

Sincerely,

Kjetil Aakra

vingtor 5th January 2005 20:29

From my general knowledge of RAF markings I can say that the 24" x 24" fin marking is missing. Furthermore the Wingco pennant looks a bit too large.

You have reproduced the olive drab anti-glare area different from standard, check your references :wink:

Otherwise a cice looking aircraft.

Nils

Stein Meum 6th January 2005 01:06

Re: Christie's Mustang
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjetil Aakra
Hello all.

Sorry to interupt this very interesting discussion, but could you please comment on this rendering of Mustang IVa, WHC, which is based on the description given in this thread? If possible, I'd like to release it as a skin for the flight simulator Il-2 Forgotten battles to commemorate Christie.

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_1.jpg

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_2.jpg

VERY CLOSE,Kjetil! But I think the code letters are a bit too large.The Wingco pennant is definitely too large,I'm afraid.Further,the tail fin flash is missing,as are the yellow leading edges.They should start from just outboard of the outer wing guns.

Stein

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_3.jpg

http://www.museumsnett.no/midttromsm...ng%20WHC_4.jpg

Sincerely,

Kjetil Aakra


Stein Meum 6th January 2005 01:09

Having read Nils' reply since posting,I also think there's something wrong with the Anti-glare panel shape.

Stein

Stein Meum 6th January 2005 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hendrik
Stein,

Thank you for sharing this sad news.

On the subject of Norwegian Wing Commanders I know that Rolf Arne Berg was one of them. Other names that come to my mind are Helge Mehre and Jon Ryg but I am not sure of these last two. These three flew with No.132 (Norwegian) Wing.

Kind regards,
Hendrik

Yes,there were several other Norwegian Wing Commanders but they,including Danish Kai Birksted,commanded the "Norwegian" Spit squadrons.The Norwegian squadrons are outside the scope of my researches which concentrate on the operational carreers of Norwegian aircrew serving in other RAF squadrons than the "Norwegian" ones,i.e. 330,331,332 and 333 Sqns.
The names you mentioned are all correct,but for 331 and 332 Sqns only.

Stein

Kjetil Aakra 6th January 2005 08:40

WHC
 
Thanks for your input, guys.

I'll modify the skin according to your suggestions.

Kjetil


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