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Re: Nightfighters and gun cameras
In reply to a few things mentioned here:
The Germans did use a device called "Spanner-Anlage" (or Spanner I) on the Do-17Z-10 (and made by AEG). It consisted of an infrared searchlight mounted in the nose and a viewer in the pilot's wind screen. It was reported that it could see aircraft exhausts but was not very successful, being replaced by radar sets. I have personally seen at least one photo of an aircraft so equipped. It was also tried on experimental Bf-110 D-1/U1. Then there is the FuG 280 "Kiel" passive IR vision detector made by Zeiss. It had a range of 4000 m and weighed 42 kg. The company Lorenz built the FuG 226 "Neuling" IFF. Reportedly, British Mosquitoes carried a device called "Perfectos" that could track German IFF. HTH, Ed |
Re: Nightfighters and gun cameras
You raise some good points, Ed. The following comments are all from the interrogations of General Martini and his staff at war's end:
1. The FuG 226, Neuling, was to have been available for installation in operational aircraft by Dec '44, but owing to difficulties encountered during the trials carried out at Rechlin it was not ready by the time of the capitulation. Lorenz was responsible for its production and Dr. Kramar of that firm was considered the expert on its technical aspects. 2. As early as 1940, experiments had been made with infra-red homing on to a/c exhausts using an infra-red telescope of the Bildwandler type called Spanner. This met with only limited success on account of restricted range and the dependency of infra-red on clear weather conditions. But the idea was never completely dropped. With the introduction of night fighter commentary and the Verbandsflug tactics in 1944, it was required that night fighter units should fly in groups and keep as close together as possible. It was, therefore, proposed to introduce an aid in the shape of some form of infra-red navigation lights to be viewed through an infra-red telescope. The latter, which was a form of Spanner, was named Falter. As, however, the field of view of this telescope was confined to about 15 degrees, it soon transpired during trials at Werneuchen that it was not a practical proposition. In 1944 the idea of using infra-red for recognition, which had long lain dormant was once again evoked by the discovery that British bombers were carrying an infra-red recognition light. It was therefore proposed that German night fighters should home on to the infra-red lights by means of the Falter. For mutual recognition between night fighters an infra red lamp termed "Gaensebrust" was also planned. It was hoped that Gaensebrust might not only allow recognition between German a/c but possibly afford some protection from British night fighters which might become uncertain in their recognition of a German night fighter if the Gaensebrust was flashed intermittently even thought the British code in use for the night were not known. It was not known if it had been used operationally. 3. The Kiel Z was manufactured by Zeiss and known officially as the FuG 280. Infra-red radiations from the exhaust stubs of a/c were picked up in a parabolic mirror and focused on to an Elac lead sulphide cell. The field of view in a cone of +/- 10 degrees was scanned. A wider field of view could be obtained by moving the entire scanner by hand in the same manner as employed with the Berlin N1A. Shortly before the end of the war a number of Kiel Z sets were tried out in operations but it was found that, although they gave a range of about 4 km on a 4-engined bomber, various difficulties arose. Infra-red radiations from the moon and stars formed "permanent echoes" on the cathod ray tube used as a viewing screen, and were not always easily distinguished from a moving a/c. In addition, if the target a/c was between the fires caused by the raid and the night fighter a/c, the target was obviously quite indistinguishable against the background of the fires. Hope this helps. |
Re: Nightfighters and gun cameras
Dear Mark, Ed, George, and anyone else interested,
Please e-mail me at egerrt@dmv.com and I will send you photos of the camera as well as the device in the Me 262B-1a/U1. Physically, they appear very close. Gordon Permann, with whom I have been dialoging by e-mail, doesn't believe the camera is infra-red, nor that it has a lens anywhere near what would be needed for night photography. Still, the physical resemblance of the two seems to be too close to ignore. Regards, Richard |
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