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Chris Goss 31st December 2007 19:14

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Erik: I have the Northolt Wg account of the Circus as well as 609's account of the day made at the time so do say if I can help.

Franek Grabowski 31st December 2007 22:20

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
There are plenty of sources for 303 Sqn and I would say they are all complementing each other.

Fairlop 1st January 2008 13:05

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
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The two 53 Squadron Blenheims being lost on 23 June 1941 as in Brian's reply: likely to have had no part in Circus 20?
These two losses were during convoy escort. As Franek mentioned there were six escorted Blenheim IVs - from the 107 Sqn on Circus No.20.

Michal

Chris Goss 1st January 2008 13:16

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Northolt War Diary says 12 ac of 303 sqn rendezvouzed with 6 bombers over Maidstone and 242 Sqn. Claims:

Sgt Wunche- seen to crash near Desvres
Sgt Wojciechowski-Ac exploded; "...black fusleage with witty yellow longitudenal stripes"
Sgt Adamek-In flames; 2nd ac probable
Plt Off Strzemborz-in flames on land
Sgt Szlyowski-engine stopped, went straight down but claimed probable
Plt Off Bondar-close to the ground with airscrew stopped; probable

Plt Off Gladych force landed near Manston and was badly not seriously injured. In a handwritten it it says "He destroyed one and collided with a second, destroyed that by cutting off its tail"

Franek Grabowski 1st January 2008 16:54

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 56894)
Sgt Wunche- seen to crash near Desvres

Proper spelling Wunsche with umlaut. Me 109F, standard camouflage with yellow bottom of engine cowling.
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Sgt Wojciechowski-Ac exploded; "...black fusleage with witty yellow longitudenal stripes"
Me 109F with light blue undersurfaces and black fuselage with mentioned yellow markings, lost both wings in the explosion.
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Sgt Adamek-In flames; 2nd ac probable
Me 109E exploded and went down in a mass of flames, red nosed Me 109E in standard camouflage, completely covered in black smoke, went down, claimed as destroyed.
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Plt Off Strzemborz-in flames on land
Proper spelling Strzembosz. Red nosed Me 109E in flames seen to crash on land in unspecified place.
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Sgt Szlyowski-engine stopped, went straight down but claimed probable
Proper spelling Szlagowski. Me 109F not seen to crash but claimed as destroyed, emitting black smoke and having an airscrew stopped.
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Plt Off Bondar-close to the ground with airscrew stopped; probable
Me 109E last seen diving vertically, not seen to crash. Claimed as destroyed.
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Plt Off Gladych force landed near Manston and was badly not seriously injured. In a handwritten it it says "He destroyed one and collided with a second, destroyed that by cutting off its tail"
Initially credited with 3 destroyed due to misunderstanding. Claimed 2 destroyed, Me 109 in flames later downgraded to probable and Me 109 destroyed due to collision. His wounds were face wound, broken skull and broken collar bone.

robert 1st January 2008 18:16

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Hi,

following German fighters were lost in this evening combat:
- 4/JG2 Fw.Georg Bock KIA Bf109F-2 6756 100% crashed by Condette
- 9/JG2 Olt.Carl-H.Roeders KIA Bf109F-2 6764 brown 1 crashed by Desvres
- 9/JG2 Uffz.Johann Straub DOW Bf109F-2 5763 crashed NW St.Omer
- II/JG2 NN Bf109F-2 6763 emergency-landed Abbeville-Drucat 60%
- II/JG2 NN Bf109F-2 12643 belly-landed Berck-sur-Mer 40%
Sources: J.Prien "JFV Part 5", P.Watteeuw "Les Pertes de la... Vol.2", D.Caldwell "The JG26 War Diary Vol.1".
Perhaps someone could write-down all allied claims?

Regards

Robert

Brian 1st January 2008 21:23

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Hi Robert

In addition to the 303 Sqn claims, I can offer:

242 Sqn 2-1-2
Demozay 109, De la Bouchere 109, Grassick 109 probable, 109 damaged, Redfern 109 damaged

92 Sqn 3-2-2
Malan 2 109s, Dougall 109, Wade 109 probable, Le Cheminant 109 probable

Buys (611 Sqn) 109
U/k pilot (603 Sqn) 109

Hope this helps
Cheers
Brian

robert 1st January 2008 21:31

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Yes thanks Brian it seems to be nice overclaiming.

Regards

Robert

Erik Mombeeck 1st January 2008 22:59

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Hello Gentlemen,

a lot of thanks for these very useful answers.

Regarding the German assault, Gerhard Schöpfel had nice remembrances that he told me 15 years ago. It was his sole combat with Balthasar at his side.
It appears that the first unit to be in contact with this Circus was 4./JG 2 having started from Abbeville Drucat. They claimed a lot, but also suffered the loss of Bock and probably the 109 which was damaged at Drucat. The other damaged 109 certainly belonged to the 5th Staffel and was lost a bit later.
About 20 minutes after this first battle, Stab III./JG 26, Geschwaderstab JG 2, III./JG 26 and III./JG 2 also rejoined the RAF formation and started fighting Belnheims and Spitfires… which seems to counter-say a bit what our friend Don Caldwell wrote : "The two JG 2 Gruppen claimed five Blenheims before the German were set upon by the late-arriving escort."
Is there any report that states that the escort arrived a bit late?

Thanks, best regards and the very best for 2008!

Erik

PS : just found this excellent page : http://orb.polishaf.pl/unit/303sqn

Frank Olynyk 1st January 2008 23:19

Re: Circus N° 20 23 June 1941
 
Eric, (and Brian)

603 Sqn's Sgt John Hurst claimed and was credited with a Me-109F damaged at 2035, 8 m S of Dunkirk, in Spitfire Va R7305. This is the only claim by 603 Sqn on this date.

Frank.


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