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Steve49 9th August 2008 21:08

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Updated list, thanks for your various inputs.

PO Andrews -19 Sqn -27/6/41
Sgt Barclay -457 Sqn -27/4/42
1st Lt Thomas R. Barron USAAC - 157 Sqn - 19/11/43 - Killed
Sgt R.C. Bryson - 111 Sqn - 1/6/42
Lt Burt USAAC - 131 Sqn - 4/9/43
Sgt Cochrane - 74 Sqn - 3/7/41
PO Cowley - 19 Sqn - 27/6/41
PO Dunn - 258 Sqn - 16/6/41
FO D.L. Est - 264 Sqn - 27-28/9/43
Sgt Ford - 602 Sqn - 13/10/41
PO J.D. Ford - 253 Sqn - 23/5/40 - POW
FO D.N. Forde - 145 Sqn -23/7/41 - Evaded
Sgt Fox - 234 Sqn - 20/10/41 - POW
Sgt Gray - 611 Sqn - 3/7/43
PO Graham - 402 Sqn -27/9/41
PO Norman Howkins - 64 Sqn -23/2/41 - Killed
PO B. Hawkins - 245 Sqn - 26/10/41
Sgt R. Hillman - 418 Sqn - 7-8/9/42
PO Holland - 266 Sqn - 27/8/41
Sgt C.H. Howard - 92 Sqn -7/8/41 - POW
Sgt Hunter - 603 Sqn - 14/7/41
Sgt Johnson - 65 Sqn - 21/10/41
Sgt Jones - 32 Sqn -11/6/40 - POW?
PO Jones - 54 Sqn -22/7/41
PO J.F. Knight - 485 Sqn - 21/9/41 - POW
PO M. Lepel-Cointet - 616 Sqn - 12/4/43
Sgt W.G. Lockhart - 74 Sqn 6/7/41 - Evaded
Sgt Montgomery - 3 Sqn - 7/11/41
Sgt Murphy - 247 Sqn - 28/8/41
Flt Off John R. McDonald USAAC - 157 Sqn - 19/11/43 - Killed
PO Ormond RNZAF - 610 Sqn - 5/3/41
Sgt R.L. Sellers - 616 Sqn - 21/4/41
Mid P.J. Patterson RN - 242 Sqn - 20/8/40 - Killed
Sgt Poiquier - 341 Sqn -17/8/43
Sgt V.E. Reynolds RCAF - 607 Sqn -2/1/42
Sgt L. Rowe - 222 Sqn - 30/4/41 - POW
Sgt Short - 152 Sqn -24/7/41
F/Sgt H.E.D. Tibby RAF - 418 Sqn -2-3/4/42
Sgt Tucker - 129 Sqn - 21/10/41 -Safe
PO R. van der Honert - 222 Sqn - 30/4/42 -Safe
PO Welsh - 154 Sqn - 4/5/42
Sgt K.D. Windsor - 403 Sqn - 20/6/43
F/Lt T.H. Worth - 25 Sqn - 5-6/8/41
Sgt D. Wright - 610 Sqn - 21/8/41
PO Zenker - 501 Sqn - 24/8/40 -Killed

Anymore information/ideas gratefully received.

Regards,

Steve

macfire 27th August 2008 19:26

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Guys:
Plt Off M C W Ormond:
1941: 5th March; Spitfire P7596. Ops: Circus 6. Shot down over the Channel by a Bf.109 from JG51.
PoW.

Regards
Tony

Bertrand H 27th August 2008 19:39

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Steve,

Reply for Poirier (not Poiqiuer) has been given here :

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...?t=2411&page=2

HTH

Bertrand

Rob Philips 28th August 2008 18:30

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Hi Steve,

Update of your list, in blue. Orange names may be names unknown to CWGC whilst they ought to be known, but this cannot be stated with certainty at this time.

PO Andrews -19 Sqn -27/6/41
Sgt Barclay -457 Sqn -27/4/42
1st Lt Thomas R. Barron USAAC - 157 Sqn - 19/11/43 - Killed
Sgt R.C. Bryson - 111 Sqn - 1/6/42 - Rhodesian, POW in L3-397
Lt Burt USAAC - 131 Sqn - 4/9/43
Sgt Cochrane - 74 Sqn - 3/7/41 - Escort Blenheims to Hazebrouck - probably missing. Not in POW register. One of several who vanished in this area, and whose aircraft wreck have not yet been found.
PO Cowley - 19 Sqn - 27/6/41 - probably missing. Not in POW register.
PO Dunn - 258 Sqn - 16/6/41 - shot down & baled out over the Channel. Fate unknown
FO D.L. Est - 264 Sqn - 27-28/9/43 - Should be Denis L. West, Mosquito HX852, intruder to Rheine, Germany. MIA, Runnymede Panel 130
Sgt Ford - 602 Sqn - 13/10/41
PO J.D. Ford - 253 Sqn - 23/5/40 - POW
FO D.N. Forde - 145 Sqn -23/7/41 - Evaded
Sgt Fox - 234 Sqn - 20/10/41 - POW
Sgt Gray - 611 Sqn - 3/7/43
PO Graham - 402 Sqn -27/9/41
PO Norman Howkins - 64 Sqn -23/2/41 - Killed
PO B. Hawkins - 245 Sqn - 26/10/41 - probably missing. Not in POW register.
Sgt R. Hillman - 418 Sqn - 7-8/9/42
PO Holland - 266 Sqn - 27/8/41
Sgt C.H. Howard - 92 Sqn -7/8/41 - POW
Sgt Hunter - 603 Sqn - 14/7/41
Sgt Johnson - 65 Sqn - 21/10/41 - shot down. Baled out 8 km south of Le Touquet. Fate unknown
Sgt Jones - 32 Sqn -11/6/40 - POW? - shot down in the Le Tréport area.
PO Jones - 54 Sqn -22/7/41 - crashed in France, POW, cannot find in POW register without first name(s)
PO J.F. Knight - 485 Sqn - 21/9/41 - POW
PO M. Lepel-Cointet - 616 Sqn - 12/4/43 - Marc Lepel-Cointet, FFAF, sweep to St. Omer, MIA over The Channel. FFAF, meaning outside of the scope of CWGC registration.
Sgt W.G. Lockhart - 74 Sqn 6/7/41 - Evaded
Sgt Montgomery - 3 Sqn - 7/11/41 - night patrol off Dover, assumed lost at sea, missing
Sgt Murphy - 247 Sqn - 28/8/41 - intruder to Morlaix, assumed lost at sea, missing
Flt Off John R. McDonald USAAC - 157 Sqn - 19/11/43 - Killed
PO Ormond RNZAF - 610 Sqn - 5/3/41 - Shot down over the Channel by a Bf.109 from JG51 - POW
Sgt R.L. Sellers - 616 Sqn - 21/4/41
Mid P.J. Patterson RN - 242 Sqn - 20/8/40 - Killed
Sgt Poirier - 341 Sqn -17/8/43 - shot down, crashed north of Hesdin, POW, Evd, killed in aircraft accident 16-12-1945
Sgt V.E. Reynolds RCAF - 607 Sqn -2/1/42 - failed to recover from a bombing dive on 04-01-1942, MIA, Runnymede 107
Sgt L. Rowe - 222 Sqn - 30/4/41 - POW
Sgt Short - 152 Sqn -24/7/41 - James Short, assumed crashed in France - POW in 357/18
F/Sgt H.E.D. Tibby RAF - 418 Sqn -2-3/4/42 - Harry Tilby, crashed near Montdidier, France, buried Montdidier French National cemetery
Sgt Tucker - 129 Sqn - 21/10/41 -Safe. Crashed in the Channel off Octeville-sur-Mer, 04-05-1942, North of Le Havre, shot down by Fw.190's, MIA.
PO R. van der Honert - 222 Sqn - 30/4/42 -Safe
PO Welsh - 154 Sqn - 4/5/42 - Thomas M. Welch, crashed North Sea off IJmuiden, MIA, Runnymede 72
Sgt K.D. Windsor - 403 Sqn - 20/6/43 - crashed in France, evaded
F/Lt T.H. Worth - 25 Sqn - 5-6/8/41 - Thomas H. Worth - missing on a night patrol, 7/8-08-1941, Runnymede 30
Sgt D. Wright - 610 Sqn - 21/8/41 - crashed in France, not in POW register
PO Zenker - 501 Sqn - 24/8/40 -Killed

This means that most of the names in your list, names that you did not find in the CWGC register, are accounted for. Still, several question marks remain.


Regards,


Rob

Steve49 29th August 2008 11:27

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Gents,

Thanks again for your updates. Still a couple of gaps, but many answers provided. Thanks again.

Regards

Steve

As another question, anybody know a reason why 418 Sqn suffered significantly more casualties than any other Fighter Command unit? Obviously as an Intruder squadron with multi-crew aircraft, each loss would be heavier than for the loss of a single engine fighter, but even allowing for that they seem to have suffered far greatly losses than any other Intruder squadron.

mhuxt 29th August 2008 13:25

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Your Sgt. R. Hillman of 418 Squadron should be Sgt. A.J.R. Millman:

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_...sualty=2095741

He and his crew are buried in a small seaside town in France - one assumes they fell foul of coastal flak.

Perhaps you may be able to identify other typos by searching on dates in the CWGC via this truly staggering site:

http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search39-47.php

As for 418 Squadron - they were flying Havocs and pretty much having to learn it for themselve. 23 Squadron were on Mosquitos by that point. Dave McIntosh and Doug Alcorn provide a certain amount of insight in their respective books.

As McIntosh says, 11 3-man crews were lost before a 418 Squadron crew scored a million-to-one shot by bombing an e/a as it was landing.

The American flyers on 157 Squadron were lost when their aircraft ditched in the Bay of Biscay due to engine failure.

edwest 30th August 2008 04:24

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Those looking for Canadians should also try this site:


http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/MilitaryFAQ.php



Ed

Rob Philips 30th August 2008 12:55

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Hi Steve,

A few more. Remaining puzzles:

PO Andrews -19 Sqn -27/6/41 - P/O. Sidney Rupert Andrews, MIA 26-06-1941, Runnymede Panel 31
Sgt Barclay -457 Sqn -27/4/42
Sgt Ford - 602 Sqn - 13/10/41 - perhaps Sgt. Clive Gordon Lord, RAAF 402127?
Sgt Gray - 611 Sqn - 3/7/43
PO Graham - 402 Sqn -27/9/41
PO Holland - 266 Sqn - 27/8/41
Sgt Hunter - 603 Sqn - 14/7/41
Sgt R.L. Sellers - 616 Sqn - 21/4/41 - Sgt. Robert Lindon Sellars, MIA 21-04-1941, Runnymede 51


Regards,

Rob




KevinKing 7th December 2010 22:46

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
For Tibby read Tilby.
Kevin

Roy Nixon 8th December 2010 10:04

Re: Missing Fighter Command aircrew in FCL volumes
 
Hello Steve,
This is the format of Norman Franks books. He writes them and the customer edits them.
Sgt RH Cochrane POW.
Sgt AE Gray POW.
Sgt AC Hunter POW.
Sgt KM Jones POW.
Roy


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