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Hi 'Falcon',
I am not 100% sure what you are reacting on.
I can only certify that my statement above "The same photo with the same back side text was also sold 29.04.2008." is correct.
I have checked the photos as well as the back side text and they are congruent.

You are, however, correct in that the two photos published on page 32 and 33 in Luftwaffe im Focus Edition 6/2004 are displaying two other similar but different photos. The two photos in the publication are also in turn very similar two each other, but once again two different photos.

I also stand by my view that photos published in some German publications I regulary buy or subscribe to not seldom are soon after found at ebay.de, but this can have "natural" causes. Perhaps sold after an agreement that the publisher can first use them in a publication or the publishers or authors themselves sell the photos to keep their bank account on black figures???

Personally I don't care as I don't buy from ebay at all. It is a mere reflection on events over the years.

Kind regards,

Göran Larsson

Hi Göran,

sorry I have overseen that you was meaning the back side text. 8-|

The photos are not cheap, you know it. So the publishers buy them for many money, scanning them. After that they publish them and sell them. So they have a part of the money back. I think thats ok.
"Copyright"? There is mostly no "Copyright", because the photographer is not known. So they risk to break the "Urheber" rules.
I wish I can scan them all to put them for free use for all on my website, but this is only a dream. Thanks to the commercial publishers. ;-)

The last sentence is nonsense,not all buyers are publishers,you should know better!

Sure, René. Then it will be better a "publisher" get it, as a private collector and the photo will lost in a private treasure chest and no one will see it anymore. ;)

In other words, if I find a picture from WWII that I want to use for ex a homepage or a write upp, can I just grab it as the dude who took the pic from begining is dead by now?

/Thomas

You can risk it, because in 99% no one will have a chance to prove to be the copyright holder. Thats the way that imho the most commercial publishers go with german ww2 photos. And after publishing they try to hold the "copyrights" that they never had.

Thats my personal opinion. ;)

Btw, in germany the lawfully copyright holder (in german "Urheber) have to prove that he have the copyright. If he cant to that the law will not give him the rights. Who can clearly prove after 50 years and more that he was taking this one picture?
Its to complicated for me to explain it with my poor school english. I hope you understand it? ;)

When something is bought it is called privat ownership,the owner dicedes whatever to do with,if he wants to publish,the better for us and directly paying by bying the book or magazine,but on the otherwise taking a copy without asking and distribute it around the world even with the law on your side seems very odd to me.

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Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 73684)

Got it cristal clear, thanks mate :)

/Thomas

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Originally Posted by bn785371 (Post 73686)

When something is bought it is called privat ownership,the owner dicedes whatever to do with,if he wants to publish,the better for us and directly paying by buying the book or magazine,but on the otherwise taking a copy without asking and distribute it around the world even with the law on your side seems very odd to me.

And thats the point what you go wrong. In germany you CANT buy the copyright. Only the photograph or the lawfuly heirs have this rights for publishing. Only this peoples can give the ok for publishing. The publisher get no rights.
When you buy a german photo at ebay and you don't know the copyright holder, you cant publish the photos with rights. What you not got you cant fight. Its easy.

Example: An author buy a photo for xxx $ at ebay from a trader. The author dont know the copyright holder (Urheber). He publish this photo somewhere. An other people copy this photo from his publication and do what ever with it. The author has no chance to win a fight for the rights, because he is not the lawfuly copyright holder. ;)

And btw, if a photo has lost his german copyright protection (25, 50 or 70 years), it will be free to use for all. If someone pay for a free item, what he is? He has to much money or he is stupid. :)