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Re: Another captured LW pilot

Nikita wrote in part:

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PS. Larry, could it be possible for you to check in your files Lt. Arnold Zeppelin from 2/KG4, shot down and captured on May 6, 1944 in Sewastopol area. Plane He-111H-20 (5J+IK)

Sorry, but we had to exclude most Leutnante and Oberleutnante from our data base because it would have become unmanageable otherwise. Our data base consists of 30,000+ of the 122,000 Luftwaffe officers who served during World War II. As you can see, we have none that begin with the letters "Zep...".

ZENTNER, Wilhelm. 01.03.43 promo to Hptm.(d.R.z.V./Flak).
ZENZINGER, Karl. 01.06.43 promo to Maj. z.V. (Flieger).
ZERBE, Edwin. 01.09.42 promo to Hptm. 09.06.44 Hptm./Maj., appt provisional then permanent Kdr. II./FAS II (still 04.45). 07.44 Hptm., Kdr. le.Flak-Abt. z.b.V. 12100.
ZERKIBL, Joseph. 01.08.43 promo to Maj.(d.R.). 01.45 Maj. and Maj. beim Stabe in Stab/Ln.-Abt. 123 (3. Flak-Div.) (to c.27.01.45). c.28.01.45 Maj., appt Maj. beim Stabe in Stab/Ln.-Abt. 168 (8. Flak-Brig.).

HLdeZ/DGS

Re: Another captured LW pilot

Larry,

Anyway, thanks for assistance.

Re: Another captured LW pilot

Nikita, one more question for getting a picture of the dogfight:

Do you know how many soviet fighters were involved and what was the altitude of the "kill" ?

EDIT: Concerning the loss from KG4:
Acc. to the KG4-book by Gundelach, the crew's members were:
Lt. Arnold von Zepelin,
Uffz. Anton Arsen,
Uffz. Wilhelm Schümann,
Obergefr. Karl Buschmann and
Gefr. Karl-Heinz Evert,
all listed as missing.

Re: Another captured LW pilot

Hello Nikita,
hello Jörg,

as for the KG 4 loss, the NVM filed 9.5.44 has this information:

Kampfeinsatz Krim, Pl.Q. 3344/ost
6.5.1944
He 111 H20, WNr. 700130
Wahrsch.feindb.
(Rem: Wahrsch.feind. stands for "Wahrscheinlich feindbeschuss" or "Wahrscheinlich feindberührung")

FF Lt. Arnold von Zepelin
Beobachter Uffz Anton Arsan
Bordfunker Uffz. Wilhelm Schönmann (?)
Bordschütze Obgefr. Kurt Buschmann
Bordschütze Gefr. Karl-Heinz Ebert

Vom Feindflug nicht zurückgekehrt, Keine FT-Meldung. Vermißt.

The Verbandskennzeichen 5J+JK is from another report attached to the NVM but having no other information than the NVM itself.

HTH

Carl

Re: Another captured LW pilot

Gentlemen,

Thanks a lot for Zeppelin info.

Joerg,

I do not know the time of Stahl's loss, and can not tied this case to any of Soviet claims. I can only presume that smb from 897 IAP is victor, since no more claims on Me-109 reported.