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Alex Smart 11th October 2009 14:41

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
Hello Henk,

Forwhat its worth , these airmen's details have been requested before maybe even on this site, as I have the followingon a peice of paper - details from the CWGC or Canadian Virtual War Memorial site.
P/O. Elroy Fenwick Bent age 19, son of Ernest Elroy and Lorna Henrietta. Husband of Frances Evelyn of Upper Granville, Annapolis Co, NS.
P/O. Peter Hersey Wyman, son of John Kirby and Jessie Maud of Montreal Province of Quebec. BA McGill University.
So some trace may be found on the web ?

The only USAAF a/c losses were B17's, B24's, B25's and P40's in August 42. I was wondering if there were any US Spitfires on hand or in the process of being delivered as I have on the same peice of papoer a ref - Beautiful, three Spits - and "They Shall Grow Not Old" Les Allison. Connection may be nil .
There were also several aircraft lost en route from the US to the MTO.
Then also there were I think some that were on delivery to India and even the USSR via Iran. Little is reported about these aircraft or their crews.

Good Hunting
Alex

Henk Welting 11th October 2009 16:01

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
Thanks Alex for your support. Again spent hours without any result. Put their names on hold for later.
Regards,
Henk.

paulmcmillan 11th October 2009 17:22

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=r...0Wyman&f=false

Says Bent died 19th and Wyman 20th -could not the aircraft have crashed earlier and they died of injuries?

Henk Welting 11th October 2009 18:02

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
Could be, although CWGC also has BENT on the 19th August.

Henk.

Henk Welting 11th October 2009 18:07

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
......correction:
intend to say CWGC has BOTH on the 19th August.

Alex Smart 13th October 2009 14:55

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
Hello,

Have trawled the AB RAFserial number books and could only come up with the following

Blenheim L8510 70 OTU - Nakuro, (?) collision with V6327-19-8-42 .
Beaufighter X7677 - 272 - MIA Mediterranean - 20-8-42.
Beaufighter X8034 - 227 Ditched 5m S of Kalafrana - 20-8-42.
Wellington X9684 - 148 - Ground fire Kabrit - 18-8-42.
Boston Z2294 - 24 SAAF c/l Mersa Matruh - 17-8-42.
Blenheim Z7594 - CF Kartoum - F/Ld 19m W of Seatur, Sudan 2-8-42.
Blenheim Z9724 - 244 - C/l Sharjah Creek - 19-8-42.
Beaufighter T4840 - 252 - 19-8-42.
Beaufighter T4934 - 227 - 20-8-42.
Beaufighter T5251 - 236 - MIA - 19-8-42.
Blenheim V6327 - 70 OTU - Collision with L8510 - Nakuro, (?) 19-8-42.
Hudson V9172 - 459 - Lost on ops 16-8-42.
Kittyhawk ET840 - 3RAAF - C/l desert 19-8-42.
Kittyhawk ET871 - 3RAAF - Amriya - 18-8-42.
Mosquito DD983 - 217 - Takali - 19-8-42.
9 Mustangs on the 19-8-42 but Dieppe/Fecamp.
6 Bostons on the 19th also Dieppe area.
Baltimore AG790 -55 - LG55 - 17-8-42.
Tomahawk AK350 - 208 - Western Desert 17-8-42.
Beaufort AW295 - 86 - Punta Stilo(?) - 20-8-42.
Beaufort AW341 - 86 - Punta Stilo(?) - 20-8-42.
Blenheim BA597 - ADU - Ogbomosho, Nigeria - 19-8-42.
There must be many others lost around this date and then there are all the US aircraft, we do not even know if the two airmen were in the same aircraft. As has been said they may well have been injured and died at a later date.
The only other thing would be that they were involved in transporting aircraft accross the African Continent, perhaps searching out US Aircraft lost in the area while in transit would be the best bet.

All the best
Alex

paulmcmillan 13th October 2009 15:02

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
BLENHEIM IV Z7594 Info


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-co...-178178685.htm

Is the rest of the crew mentioned in FYT by Errol Martyn

Henk Welting 13th October 2009 18:23

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
Paul,
Errol has Sgt (Pilot) W.S. BURNS - NZ411856.
Allison (TSGNO) has F/Sgt (Obs) J.P. SPEAKMAN - R/64476 (although no a/c serial listed).
Third casualty may have been Sgt (WOp/Ag) R.E. SIMKIN - 1287635.
Fieldgrave lost and all commemorated on the Alamein Memorial.
Regards,
Henk.

Alex Smart 20th October 2009 03:21

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
Hello,

Not a US loss but an RAF loss was an American Bomber on the 17th August 1942.
Marauder I serial FK119 (41-7389) MIA 17-8-42.
Crews names and fate now found, it was on a ferry flight, one of 8 that crashed after export to the MAAF from this particular batch.[ ref AB's "The BAC and Lend-Lease"].

All for now
Alex

Henk Welting 20th October 2009 18:08

Re: USAAF aircraft 19-8-1942 (Sudan)
 
Hello Alex,
Unfortunately no match for BENT and WYMAN. FK119 of 45 Group took off Natal, Brazil for a ferry flight and missing over the Ocean. Crew - all missing:
S/Ldr G. ROBINSON - 40020;
Sgt G.F. LYMAN-DIXON - 1227812;
Radio Offr Mr. G.H. RANDLE (from Canada) - not listed CWGC, and
P/O J.J.P.H. DORAN - RCAF J/11496.
Regards,
Henk.


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