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Re: Bf 110 C-6 Erprobungsgruppe 210

Thxts the answer I waited, thank You very much!

Re: Bf 110 C-6 Erprobungsgruppe 210

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Originally Posted by John Vasco (Post 93985)

This is the decal sheet I was thinking about: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...BNK4jAeO9On9CQ

But unfortunately, it is for the one that was with a night fighter unit later in the war, so it is no help. The best you can therefore do is to get 1/48 decals for '2N' or 'S9' for the unit code, a black 'H', and a blue outlined in white letter from the second half of the alphabet.

Hope this helps.

Thanks a lot.

I think I will use S9 from the sheet in the Eduard's "D" box while TH from spare. The most difficult part will surely be the MG's details inside the cockpit !

Re: Bf 110 C-6 Erprobungsgruppe 210

PM me with your email address if you need diagrams and close up photos of the rear gunner's position.

Cheers

Chris

Re: Bf 110 C-6 Erprobungsgruppe 210

Going up and down the web I found this link:

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/arc...nenkanone.html

were MG (MK) 101 gun is technically explained with german text, photos and more.

Please scroll down the page and have a look at the PDF and .doc documents. One of the most interesting (if authentic) is the Messerschmitt one dated 22.2.1940 where the gun is coded as MK 101!

All the best.

Ric.

Re: Bf 110 C-6 Erprobungsgruppe 210

komet,

Excellent find, and most interesting that there is reference to 'MK' in February 1940.

What we have now is the Technical Offices of the Luftwaffe describing it as 'MK 101', in a document dated Febuary 1940, and an RAF document that I had a copy of from the PRO (now the National Archive) dated August 1940 which describes it as 'MG 101'. I'll quote you a bit from that original RAF document, which draws its information from the original examination of the 30 mm. kanone, which I included in my Erprobungsgruppe 210 book. "...Me 110. Crashed 15. 8. 40 at Copthorne, Sussex, Nr East Grinstead. The 30mm shell gun referred to was type MG101 made by Rheinmetall Works and was fitted under the fuselage in a large fairing approximately 9' long, 43" wide, 24" deep. Eight magazines each containing 10 rounds were found, a complete shell being 11" in length..."

The RAF could only have got that information from the manufacturer's plate on the kanone. So what we have is the designation 'MG' stamped on the gun, whereas Luftwaffe paperwork was already referring to the revised 'MK' designation. I think it was a simple case of not bothering (or nobody even thinking) to change the detail on the plate affixed to the gun. I believe that was also the case for the Bf 109s and Bf 110s that carried the MG-FF and MG-FF/M 20 mm. kanone. I think the A.I.(1)g reports mention those MG designations, but I cannot check this as all my material is now lodged in an Archive.

Fascinating, and it takes our knowledge of such things a little further along the road.

Thanks for that, komet.