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Re: "Daventry" broadcasts of USAAF + RAF losses

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Originally Posted by Don Caldwell (Post 102137)

Thanks, David -- you've got the answer! (And if you're quoting Alfred Price's classic book from memory, you're to be congratulated.) There it is on p. 130 of the 1973 edition -- a summary table of Luftflotte Reich activity for Jan-Jun 44, with a Daventry column which Dr. Price states contains "the losses admitted by the Allies and broadcast over the BBC overseas transmitter at Daventry, figures generally accepted by the Germans as being accurate." So the Luftwaffe commanders had a daily check of true Allied losses, which were frequently much less than those broadcast on the daily Wehrmacht communiqué. The German population was forbidden to listen to the BBC, of course, but the commanders obviously had a "need to know".

Thanks again.

Don

Don,

I hope I was of help. I bought Price's book around 1975. I gave it away to a public library several years ago because I didn't need it because of your books. Yes, I quoted from memory. Price's summary table of the "Daventry numbers" had always stuck with me that the Germans believed the loss figures the BBC was giving out. They must have taken their claims, compared them with the Daventry numbers and figured out how much damage they were really doing.

I'm looking forward to purchasing your next volume.

David

Re: "Daventry" broadcasts of USAAF + RAF losses

David --

We've got this one nailed (with Dr. Price's help). The Daventry figures could have been used to put out disinformation once the Luftwaffe had gained confidence in them, but that is a minor side question. The startling observation (to me) is the difference at that time between propaganda broadcasts by open and closed societies.

Thanks again,

Don

Re: "Daventry" broadcasts of USAAF + RAF losses

Don:

Years ago I had read that the BBC reported the losses which occured over German-held territory and those which crashed into the sea since the Germans in all probability knew of these losses anyway since they could examine the crashes and that it did not give away any information. These broadcasts did not include crashes in Britain or friendly territory nor did they include the Category E--damaged beyond repair, which could add around another 10% to the totals. The RAF raid on Nürnberg on March 30-31, 1944 comes to mind when a total of 108 aircraft were lost of which 96 were reported by the BBC and which are still reported in many publications.

Another example which has been mentioned is the Berlin raid by the 8th AF on March 6, 1944 which resulted in an additional six bombers and three fighters being written-off. Again few publications mention the additional nine aircraft which would bring the total to 89 lost rather than the 80 announced.

Re: "Daventry" broadcasts of USAAF + RAF losses

Sylvester:

Thanks for the additional input. I feel that Category E write-offs should be added to crashes to determine true material losses. It's probably correct that the Daventry numbers omitted Cat E losses and crashes in Allied territory, which would make them 10-20% low.

Don