Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

Finally we returned yesterday to this crash site. We find a label:

StL 131/5 C/R
Bauart: Gerat-Nr102-407 C/R
Werk-Nr 6392
Anforderz. Fl 204946
Hersteller: cpq
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/742/dvc00104.jpg

Some idea about this label?

We also find a part of engine with number:

601.329.002 C4 EZ2
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/5719/dvc00110.jpg

Some idea?

We also find a part with a logo and print 3.35. Some idea about logo?

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7/dvc00109n.jpg

In the crash we not find any bullets, find some fragment of camera film and some part of wood painted of green colour.

Some idea about airplane????

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

601 means you are dealing with a DB 601
but as it is not my strong point i cannot tell you from what plane maybe the specialists?
cheers
phil

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

Thanks. I also think this. Perhaps a Fieseler???

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

the FL204946 is machinegewehr-lafette for MG 131
so i think it will be a plane with heavy machineguns coz 131 is not a small one
hope this will help? cheers
phil

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

Do 217 w. DB 601 + MG 131 perhaps ??
Just a wild guess.

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

i have done some search about MG 131 and came accross the folowing planes
109 G
ME410
FW190
JU88
JU388
HE177
HE177A had even 2 for dorsal def

allthose had a mg 131 AND 2 of them had ALSO FUG 16 FW190 and JU388
do you have more stuff withnumbers on ?
cheers
phil

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

Do you are sure that FL204946 is for MG131???? In the crash site we not find any bullets and this is the first crash site (we find 10) we not find bullets!

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

hello salerno,
i have a book with mostly all the FL-LN numbers in , this book is dases on war time archieves
on the label its also stated CPQ
it stands for .RHEINMETALL BORSIG A G WERK GUBEN
this was a factory whom made those 131

why no amo??
_is that site been cleaned up compleetly maybe by others?
_ have you searched in an area around the main impact?
-was this a surface crash or did the plane went into the ground ?
_ could be making an areal reconesance?
_did you only found those parts from were you have showen pictures ?
cheers
phil

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

Hi!

100% that is the wreck of an Me109.

There is a 100% identifiable Me109 part from the wing cooler, in the photo that has all the small wreck parts.

DB601 part numbers were ALSO used on the DB605...so they were not specific only to the DB601.

The green painted wood is part of the radio rack...and the camera film suggest it was a reconnaissance plane. That would also explain the lack of ammo (the Me109 was basically stripped of ammo in the photo reconnaissance versions).

So with the Fern/Nah relay (FuG16Z), the MG131 component plate, and the 100% identifiable Me109 wreck part, you have an Me109 G wreck there.

The FuG16Z means it would have been a mid-war Me109...so I doubt a G14 or later...most likely a G5 or G6.

Mike

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 

hello Mike,
it looks you are good in 109 isn't it ?
anyway the guy will be happy yet
cheers,
phil