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Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Correct day is 13 May!

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Hello Franek

According to Radtke the only loss of KG 54 on 13.5. was He 111-P B3+?L 3./KG 54 reason unknown 100% FF Uffz. Hoffmann near Namur.

BTW 12.5. there was a He 111-P Kennzeihen unknown 2./KG 54 reason u/k 100% loss, FF Ogefr. Haase, Lost location Belgium

Juha

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

I am completely confused!

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Peter:

Will this be a publication by "After The Battle"? How will it differ from J-P Pallud's Blitzkrieg in the West? Or is this more oriented towards the air war?

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Hello,

Just to complete this info, 11 MS406 from GCIII/1, 5 Escadrille shooted this He111 down at 5 km from NW of Anvers/Antwerp, near the Escaut mouth. please note that the MS406 n°1031 "1" was hit at the engine and land on the belly near Anvers. Pilot Lt Bursztyn wounded.
Regards

Jerome

Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Hi,

The Royerssluis is on of the (older) locks used between the Antwerp docks area and the River Schelde and is still in use.

Lt.Bursztyn of GCIII/I was transported wounded to a hospital in Gent.
Who can supply me his first name ?
French publications very often only mention the initials, but no full names.

Many thanks and best regards

Luc

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Hi,

Por.Kazimierz Bursztyn.

Regards

Robert

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

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Originally Posted by Luc Vervoort

Hi Luc you're right finding the full names of airmen of the Armée de l'Air is often hard.

As for the Polish and Czech airmen, the book "Ils étaient là" has a good list of the full names of those that reached operationnal units. If you search any, I will be pleased to give you the full names listed.

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti

Hi Luc you're right finding the full names of airmen of the Armée de l'Air is often hard.

Oh, the same reffers eg. to RAF airmen.

Quote:

As for the Polish and Czech airmen, the book "Ils étaient là" has a good list of the full names of those that reached operationnal units. If you search any, I will be pleased to give you the full names listed.

Is the book written by native speakers? French tend to distort Polish names so badly, sometimes it is not possible to identify a man!

Quote:

Just to complete this info, 11 MS406 from GCIII/1, 5 Escadrille shooted this He111 down at 5 km from NW of Anvers/Antwerp, near the Escaut mouth. please note that the MS406 n°1031 "1" was hit at the engine and land on the belly near Anvers. Pilot Lt Bursztyn wounded.

According to Polish sources the only victors were ppor. pil. Władysław Chciuk and ppor. pil. Władysław Gnyś, apart of Bursztyn. Perhaps it was credited to the French according to their victory system. Bursztyn's Morane was a romanic I rather than arabic 1 as confirmed by photos.

Re: Stab KG54 loss on 12.05.1940

Hi Laurent & Franek,

I checked the book n°5 "le Morane Saulnier MS406" from Avions pubs re the claims for the He111.
11 pilots were credited for this victory:
Lt du Boucher, Lt Bursztyn, Lt Leenhardt, S/Lt Calmel, S/Lt Chciuck (misprint), S/Lt Gnys (misprint), Adj Crémieux, Adj Gagnaire, S/C Cazade, S/C Paulhan, Sgt Pradon.

Regards

Jerome