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Re: ID of force-landed Bf109E on beach at Wissant France
Larry, the "White 7" can be found on p. 44-45 in LiF No.8. An E-4 (cannon in wing visible) of "JG 26's replacement training Staffel" belly landed on the beach near Dieppe. Photo taken by Albert Brunner then by the unit, but it is not sure that he was the pilot in this event according to the caption. This is obviously not the same aircraft as you are trying to identify.
Cheers Goran Edit: Date given as 10 January 1941 (Date for the images I've posted at LEMB given as Sep alt. Oct) |
Re: ID of force-landed Bf109E on beach at Wissant France
Goran,
So, my thought that this could be the same a/c as the one in the photos that started this all isn't correct. So now we're back to trying to ID the original a/c in question, and it keeps the idea alive that this could be an a/c of Marseilles. If anyone else knows of other photos that show the plane number, or any other info about this force landing on the beach near Wissant, France, almost certainly during the Battle of Britain, I'd certainly like to hear about it. Regards, |
Re: ID of force-landed Bf109E on beach at Wissant France
It is tempting to think that the photos in both reference groups, above, might be a machine of Marseille when he was with LG 2. However, there is simply no way to say, even with a little bit of certainty, that it might be. It well might be, but it cannot be proven. Some items to consider:
§ The loss listing for 5579 says 75%. The machine in these photos does not look like that high a percentage: bent prop, smashed oil coolers and radiators and some other damage. Doesn't look like 75% to me. § The photos simply do not show enough to say anything except it looks like the cowl is yellow, but so were many machines at that time. § Some negatives: The machine, weisse 7, in Wubbe is definitely an E-3/4/7 and has cannons in the wings as pointed out. The machine in the above photos looks like an E-1 with MGs in the wings, as pointed out. It does have a late model canopy but many E-1s had been fitted with these. The spinner in Wubbe is definitely a dark color, perhaps black, whereas the above photos indicate a color matching the cowling color, perhaps, again, yellow. § Some positives: the prop is bent in the same way and stopped in the same position. The Wubbe plane is weisse 7, and in the above photo from the port side, you can see a tiny piece of a what might be a weisse KZ, but not enough to say anything conclusive. In our book on Marseille's machines we conclude there is nothing to prove Wubbe's implication that weisse 7 is Marseille's. As much as I would like to say this is Marseille's, at this point I think the indicators are that it is unlikely this is his machine. There's simply not enough to go on. Anything else is speculation. |
Re: ID of force-landed Bf109E on beach at Wissant France
Why go to ebay - i was shure i had one - and here it is:
JG 26 Strand Wissant at 1940 Greetings Peglar |
Re: ID of force-landed Bf109E on beach at Wissant France
Thanks for the image :) JG 26? It's showing a 2./JG 54 emblem?
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Re: ID of force-landed Bf109E on beach at Wissant France
Not the same plane,
The plane posted by Peglar has an early canopy windscreen. Fuselage cross is smaller comparing with picture posted by Goran on LEMB. And in June 1940 2./JG54 wasn't based at Campagne-les-Guīnes, not yet. Thanks for the picture anyway. Good stuff! Extract of my post #4: "Last, keep in mind that WNr.6137, I./JG54, is in JG54 lost list: 25/08/1940, Wissant and it is a Bf109E-1." I did forgot damage 15%... That one? The other one? No other loss registered JG54 lost list in the area of Wissant at that time... Cheers, Franck. |
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