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richard.k 16th January 2011 01:50

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The wing also has a similar shape of a 110. One wonders it was lining up the Lancaster that took the photo?
Richard

RodM 16th January 2011 05:42

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Hi Richard,

I believe it is clearly the profile of a Lancaster.

Pointers:

1. the aircraft appears to have four-engines. The vibration of the photographing aircraft, combined with a slowish shutter speed of the camera and the brightness of the cloud/haze below has meant that the engines don't record all that clearly in the image. The shadows all all four engines can be made out, with the port-inner the clearest, followed by the starboard-inner and port outer. The starboard-outer is only just visible.

2. The wing profile is that of a Lancaster. The inner engines are at the correct point on the wing - i.e. the wing leading and trailing edges converge just outward of the two inner engines, and the wing tip is rounded.

3. The horizontal stabiliser profile is that of a Lancaster. Notice the forward-swept angle of the tailing edge of the elevators, and the slight angle of the leading edge of the stabilisers. The outer tips of the stabilisers are flat and conceivably connect to the vertical fins.

4. the bulge of the rear turret can be made out.

Cheers

Rod

PS - following is a profile from the web of the Lancaster: http://d951443.u114.weberz.com/image...le_drawing.JPG

galgos 16th January 2011 10:07

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I've done a bit of work using Photobucket to try to enhance the aircraft, I'm not sure about the number of engines visible but the wing profile and the tailplane/elevator shape certainly looks Lancaster-ish.
Max

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i8...rikephoto1.jpg

JohnnyB 16th January 2011 17:32

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Here a lancaster. I convert this image to negative. Clearly to see four engines.

Regards,

JohnnyB

Graham Boak 16th January 2011 17:46

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Certainly not a B-17, (which in its ECM role wouldn't be over the target area anyway) because this has wings of constant taper, as has the very similar Stirling wing. This aircraft has a constant chord centre-section and taper outboard. Like the Halifax, Lancaster, and Ju88. The aspect ratio (wingspan to chord ratio) appears too long for an 88, although this may be arguable (if we don't use the inappropriate A-1 as a guide!) but the 88 has greater outboard taper giving narrower tips.

This aircraft has too long a nose for a Ju.88, and I can see four engines (just). If you think of it as a twin, then the engines are too far inboard, they are much more consistent with the inboard pair of four. The tailplane is wide in chord and squared off, consistent with the endplate fins of the British bombers not the longer taper of an 88.

I still think it a Hali, but I guess could be a Lanc.

Larry 17th January 2011 23:55

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I think it is a Lanc too, as the tail plane has a 'fairly' straight leading edge while the elevators angle inwards from each side of the rear turret to the vertical fins. All very much a what you would expect for a Lanc and exact opposite of a Halifax which had a swept back leading edge on the tailplane.

Graham Boak 18th January 2011 10:42

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OK, it's a Lanc. My final comment was written before seeing the negative. Excuses excuses.

JohnnyB 20th January 2011 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry (Post 121136)
I think it is a Lanc too, as the tail plane has a 'fairly' straight leading edge while the elevators angle inwards from each side of the rear turret to the vertical fins. All very much a what you would expect for a Lanc and exact opposite of a Halifax which had a swept back leading edge on the tailplane.


Yes Larry, because of this finally I think too that it is a Lanc.

The image below shows what you talking about :

http://www.airpages.ru/draw/lanc_01.gif

Regards,

JohnnyB

JohnnyB 23rd January 2011 21:05

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Another Lancaster to compare.

JohnnyB 29th January 2011 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard.k (Post 120959)
I have a strike photo with another aircraft taken with the photo. Possibly a JU-88. Any idea if this is correct.
Thanks Richard


Hi Richard,

I think I got it now. We talked about Halifax and Lancaster, all wrong. Because your picture showing really a two-engine plane.
This is a Avro-Manchester.
Look at this link :

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/eng...manchester.gif

Regards,

JohnnyB


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