Re: ID of Bf109 down on French Beach BoB?
 

You're pleased to read this:

All Emil losses listed below - one of the machine from Apr-41 was coded 'yellow 7' per Wübbe. Don't remember which one specifically.
Bf 109E-4, 3579, MARSEILLE, Fhr. Hans-Joachim, 158, , 1.(J), LG 2, weiße, 14 +, CK+CT, , 02-Sep-40, Bruchlandung., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IV.2, p.399; Prien, JG 77, I, p.373; Mason, p.341; BoB, T&N, p.617, , Fl.Pl. Calais-Marck, 50%, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, 5094, MARSEILLE, Fhr. Hans-Joachim, , , 1.(J), LG 2, , , , , 23-Sep-40, Luftkampf. Ditched into Kanal. F rescued., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IV.2, p.401; Prien, JG 77, I, p.393; Mason, p.408; BoB, T&N, p.656., , Kanal, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, 5579, MARSEILLE, Fhr. Hans-Joachim, 158, , 1.(J), LG 2, , , , , 11-Sep-40, Notlandung after Luftkampf with Hurricane., Loss report says WNr.5797. Latest Prien says 5579., Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IV.2, p.399; Prien, JG 77, I, p.385; Mason, p.382; BoB, T&N, p.638, , Wissant, 75%, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, 2032, MARSEILLE, Hans-Joachim, , , 3.(J), LG 2, , , , , 29-Oct-40, Bruchlandung after Luftkampf., Is this Marseille??, Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IV.2, p.401; Prien, JG 77, I, p. 416; Mason, p.465; BoB, T&N, p.703, Prien letter, Wissant, 25%, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, , MARSEILLE, Ltn. Hans-Joachim, , , 3., JG 27, , , , , 14-Jun-41, Notlandung due to engine damage., RK, EL, S, Br., X.Fl.Korps/Afrika, Wübbe, Marseille, p.22, , eigenem Gebiet, b, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, , MARSEILLE, Ltn. Hans-Joachim, , , 3., JG 27, , , , , 16-Jun-41, Notlandung due to Luftkampf over Tobruk. Blindlandung., RK, EL, S, Br., X.Fl.Korps/Afrika, Wübbe, Marseille, p.22, , Ain-el-Gazala, b, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, , MARSEILLE, Ofhr. Hans-Joachim, , , 3., JG 27, , , , , 06-Apr-41, Flak. Safe landing., , Balkan, Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, V, p.374; Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.539, , Raum Laibach, b, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, 1259, MARSEILLE, Ofhr. Hans-Joachim, , , 3., JG 27, gelbe, 13 + (?), , , 20-Apr-41, Notlandung due to engine damage., , X.Fl.Korps/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, V, p.374; Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.540; Scutts, Bf 109 Aces of NA & the Med, p.28, , bei Cahela, 80%, H, , ,
Bf 109E-7, 5160, MARSEILLE, Ofhr. Hans-Joachim, , , 3., JG 27, gelbe, , , , 23-Apr-41, Injured in Bauchlandung due to Luftkampf with Hurricanes., , X.Fl.Korps/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, V, p.374; Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.540; Wübbe, H.J. Marseille, p.136 photo, , Raum Tobruk, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, , MARSEILLE, Ofhr. Hans-Joachim, , , 3., JG 27, gelbe, 6 +, , , 28-Apr-41, Claimed his 9th Abschusses, a Blenheim. His 2nd in NA., , Afrika, Wübbe, Marseille, p.138-39, , nordwestlich Tobruk auf See, -, F, , ,
Bf 109E-7, 1567, MARSEILLE, Ofhr. Hans-Joachim, , , 3., JG 27, , , , , 21-May-41, Luftkampf with enemy fighters. Bruchlandung behind own lines., , X.Fl.Korps/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, V, p.374; Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.540, , Raum Tobruk, 40%, F, , ,

coming from this thread here: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ight=Marseille

Personnaly I wrote "FUNNY ... " in my last post.

Re: ID of Bf109 down on French Beach BoB?
 

Franck,

Thanks for posting this info. I wasn't commenting that you claimed this was Marseille, as you did not make that claim, but only cited an earlier source that suggested this. Thanks for posting this info, as it does indicate that reliable sources all have him with 1.(J)/LG2 during this period, and the a/c in question is clearly not a 1 Staffel a/c.

Regards,

Re: ID of Bf109 down on French Beach BoB?
 

Hello,

as for this list: The Funny thing is that JFV, Teil 4.I, page 401 IS NOT giving Marseille name for that loss! I wonder where Thenelm got this?

As for the unit, I found 4 or 5 (no time to check) victories when flying with 3./LG 2, in September...

But, don't worry, 29/10 he was already in JG 52 since end of September! OUF...