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Nokose 20th October 2011 22:20

Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?
 
Mirek,
In www.allaces.ru it has Ml.Lt Vladimir Fedorovich Konin listed as flying an I-153 with the 12 KOAE KBF but on checking the OBD it has him listed as pilot with the 3 AE, 71 IAP KBF and KIA in an air battle on the 27Aug41 in the Kopore region. Also listed as KIA in the Tallin region Kapitan Vladimir Fedorovich Poltorak of the 5 AE, 71 IAP KBF on an I-16. I didn't notice any deaths for the 12 KOAE for that day so they might have just been part of the escort and no losses. It looks like no "overclaiming" that day but under claiming.

Mirek Wawrzynski 21st October 2011 15:13

Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?
 
Hi Nokose, thanks for the tip, :-)

Quote:

7.08.1941 г. звено ДБ-3 из 1 мтап, взлетевшее с аэродрома Когул, атаковало немецкий конвой, шедший в Ригу. Бомбардировщиков прикрывали два звена И-153 из 12 коаэ (61 иабр, КБФ). ДБ-3 были перехвачены группой Bf-109, которым в районе Виндавы удалось сбить ДБ-3 капитана Е.Есина и И-153 мл. лейтенанта В.Ф.Конина из 71 иап (10 сабр, КБФ).
I think, that in this information is possible misidentyfication of type the
lost plane. Konin is lost in this mission as a pilot of 71. IAP VVS KBF. And he died shot down by German pilot but not in I-153 but in MIG-3. There were two air mission. 1st to cover attack of Soviet torpedo boats against these two "ships/tugs" done by 1 Yak-1 and 3 I-153 (no losses) caaled in this Russian diary as "zvieno". 2-ed, escort of 3 or 2 DB-3T by 2 MiG-3 of 71. IAP VVS KBF (second zvieno).

During this second mission was lost one each Soviet plane. This what make more probably this version is German claims as "I-18" and not Curtiss is too huge difference between MiG-3 and I-153. From the distance 200-300 m it is easy to see differences.

Regards,
mirekw


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