Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Hi Tony,

it was from 2.(F)/ObdL. The reconnaissance photos revealed nothing special.

Regards

Robert

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Thank you very much Robert.
Tony K

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Hello,

It looks like I need to add 2.(F)/ObdL. to my list of recon units that had assigned Ju88s before the end of 1940.

Did I miss any other in my list that started off this post?

Regards,

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

This is probably not too much help, but the documents in my hands indicate that no Fernaufklaren Ju 88s were produced until January 1940,and only 3 in that month.
Best Regards,
Artie Bob

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/data:i...AASUVORK5CYII=Hello Larry,

this information is from the weekly GQM reports "Einsatzbereitschaft der fliegenden Verbände". Format is

Unit - Date of report (for preceding week) - number of Ju 88 on hand

St.(F)/Ob.d.L***40-02-03***1
1.(F)/Ob.d.L*** 40-05-11*** 1
2.(F)/Ob.d.L *** 40-10-12*** 1
3.(F)/Ob.d.L *** 40-11-09*** 1
4.(F)/Ob.d.L *** 40-12-28*** 2
7./(F) LG 2 *** 40-11-16*** 3
1.(F)/121 *** 40-04-06*** 2
2.(F)/121 *** 39-10-24 redesignated 4.(F)/ObdL
3.(F)/121 *** 40-03-30*** 2
4.(F)/121*** 40-02-10*** 3
1.(F)/122 *** 40-04-06*** 2
2.(F)/122 *** 40-04-06*** 3
3.(F)/122 *** 40-03-30*** 3
4.(F)/122 *** 40-03-30*** 3
5.(F)/122 *** 40-08-03*** 3
1.(F)/123 *** 40-01-06*** 3
2.(F)/123 *** 40-08-17*** 2
3.(F)/123 *** 40-02-03*** 3

This list shows the date of the first report of a Ju 88 available at the unit and the number of a/c. It seems, that the regular establishment was 9 Do 17 and 3 Ju 88 at one staffel in 1940.

HTH

Carl

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Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Artie Bob,

Thanks for the info on the Fern version of the Ju88. It is important that we get this version of the Ju88A-1 correct for the fern units that flew them. Much appreciated.

Regards,

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Carl,

This is exactly what I needed to finish the Ju88 profile production layout for the units flying the recon variation on the Ju88A-1. This tallies with the info from Artie Bob. We still have to find photos to support the research packages for these profiles, but now we know what we're looking for.

Would it be possible to get this same info for each of the Luftwaffe Night fighter units that had Ju88s assigned during 1940? I think that there were only a few.

Regards,

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Hello,

It appears that I didn't cast my net wide enough for the Ju88 in service with recon units:

I've located two losses to 1.(F)/120:

"November 4, 1940: 1.(F)/120 Junkers Ju88A-5 (0475). Aborted sortie to northern Scotland due to engine failure and crashed in the North Sea 50 miles off Yorkshire coast during return flight 11.07 a.m. FF Fw Helmut Hörning, BO Oberlt Horst Hesse, BS Gefr Johann Wülbeck, and BF Uffz Werner Kriegel all missing. Aircraft 100% write-off."

"November 12, 1940: 1.(F)/120 Junkers Ju88A-5 (0391). Crashed on landing at Stavanger-Sola following domestic flight due to undercarriage failure. No crew casualties. Aircraft 50% damaged but repairable."

In addition, I've found these two losses with another unit that I failed to ask about:

3.(F)/22

December 25, 1940:

3.(F)/22 Junkers Ju88A. Returned damaged in attack by F/O B.J.G. Carbury of No.603 Squadron 12 miles north-east of St Abbs Head during shipping-reconnaissance sortie over the Firth of Forth 1.40 p.m. FF Fw [ ] Haspel, BO Lt [ ] Vogel, BF Uffz [ ] Hausmann, and gunner all unhurt. Aircraft damage state not recorded.

3.(F)/22 Junkers Ju88A-5 (0535). Both engines damaged in attacks by Martlets of No.804 (FAA) Squadron (Lt L.V. Carver and Sub-Lt T.R.U. Parke) during shipping-reconnaissance sortie to Scapa Flow and belly-landed near Sandwick, north-east of Loch of Skaill, Orkney Islands, 2.05 p.m. FF Lt Karl Schipp, BO Fw Heinrich Schreiber, and BF Uffz Johann Spörl captured unhurt, BS Obergefr Karl Rotter captured badly wounded. Aircraft 4N+AL 100% write-off. (3 photos in the EOE DB)

I don't know if any other units from I.(F)/22 also had Ju88s assigned by the end of December, 1940.

So, I need dates for initial assignment and quantities for the Ju88 to these long range recon units, by individual squadron.

(F)/22

and

(F)/120

Can anyone help? Carl?

Regards,

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Hello Larry,

I found this information concerning Ju 88 in 1940. Format is same as my earlier posting:

1./(F)120 *** 40-09-07 ***3
2./(F)22 *** 40-11-09 ***1
3./(F)22 *** 40-11-09 ***2

II/NJG 1 *** 40-07-20 ***8
established by renaming Z.St. KG 30, Ju 88 probably were ex KG 30.
The report is somewhat unclear, but its seems, that 1st and 3rd Staffeln were Ju 88 "Z" and 2nd Staffel Do 17 Kauz. As my knowledge on NJG and on Ju 88 is somewhat lacking, we will need the help of some experts to clear this.

I/NJG 2 = II/NJG 1 renamed *** 40-09-14***9
"new" II/NJG 1 had Bf 110s

4./NJG 2 (ex 1./ZG 2) *** 40-11-09***2
for some onknown reason this Staffel did report its subtypes on
40-12-21 as 2 x Ju 88 A-1, 2 x Ju 88 C-4.

Greetings from rainy and cold Munich

Carl

Re: Entry into service with Recon Squadrons of the Ju88
 

Thanks Carl,

Can you or anyone else break down the assignment of the 9 Ju88s within the components of I./NJG2 on 14.09.40, and if the Stab and all three Squadrons immediately each got some of the Ju88s? What dates and in what quantities were they first assigned to the Stab, 1, 2 and 3 Staffel of NJG2?

Regards,