Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Thanks Matti and Jörg!

Stefaan, your turn;-))

Cheers
Marc

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Hi Guys.
Sorry, first time I am at my computer again.
It may not be White 3, looks like field applied '3'.
Is definately 77022. Will try to upload photo, otherwise email to Franck and he can upload.
Thx for the help
Stefaan

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Stefaan,

You make my day: this is a Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 77022x, produced by WNF factory Vienna, between late 1944 and March 1945. The last digit of the W.Nr. is amiss, probably painted over on the tail. Jim, you were smack on the money!

Your picture is thus taken at war's end in Germany or Italy, not in Sicily. To my eyes, no markings whatsoever on this machine are to be seen...

Thanks for sharing this gem with us!

Cheers
Marc

PS: after a closer look, I see a small "Weisse 7"... No idea about the unit beyond the basic possibility, given the constant use of small numerals that this machine belonged to a NAGr unit like this other G-10/R2 W.Nr. 770 338 at Campoformido, Italy. Maybe Nick can tell us more about other G-10/R2 found in Italy?

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Hello Stefaan,

... Definitely!
Already sent a mail hours ago to Marc saying I was sure you got the picture! I wasn't wrong.

For now I'm not able to say more... Marc will be able and Jörg too ... Perhaps JCM.

I'm not that good at that point!!!!

Cheers my Friend, Franck.

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Hello everyone,

In my admittedly limited files, I show the following Bf109G-10/R2s with Werknummern of 77022X:

G-10/R2, 770223, NN, NAG3, 45/04/02, NN
G-10/R2, 770224, 10+, 2./NAG12, NN, NN
G-10/R2, 770228, 12+ W, 1./NAG2, 45/03/24, Wilmersdorf at Bohumin, Cz.

Steve Sheflin

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Neat photo - there does appear to be either a very small '7' or, due to the shredding of the fuselage, possibly a '3' as a Kennzeichen on the machine in the usual location for that sort of thing. Nice piece of detective work gentlemen! I do have these 3 machines in my database so Marc's supposition that this machine belonged to a NAGr is most likely correct.

Bf 109G-10, 770223, ./., , , Eins., NAGr. 3, , , , , 02-Apr-45, Delivered from Wiener-Neustadt., , Lfl. 6, KTB Lfl. 6/mfm T-321/R.51, , Fl.Pl. Dresden-Klotzsche, -, F, , ,
Bf 109G-10, 770224, ./., , , 2., NAGr. 12, weiße, 10 +, , , , On strength with this unit in late 1944-1945., , Balkans/Hunagry, Jet & Prop, 'Sie Flogen bis zum letzten Tag', p.51, , , 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-10/R2, 770228, KOHLHAGEN, Oblt. Kurt, , I., 1., NAGr. 2, weiße, 12 +, , , 25-Mar-45, KIA in Notlandung due to Flak., , Lfl.6/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12); Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/1199, p.94; Rahlich, et al, LW Over Czech Territory 1945, p.183, , ostwärts Wilmersdorf, 100%, F, , ,

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Steve, Jim,

Great info there. Thanks!

Cheers
Marc

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Hi Guys.
Thx for all the info.
The chap was with 3 sqdn SAAF, and they went up the eastern side of Italy.
After the war they went towards Bechtesgarden on a jolly, so it could be
any of the fields around that area. He does not remember where it was taken. Was just passing through taken a snapshot like we all do.
Be good
Stefaan

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Hi there Stefaan,

thanks for the additional details; Given that no other Bf 109 G-10/R2 were found at war's end in Italy then W.Nr. 770 338, NAGr. 11 at Campoformido, this machine was probably photographed in the Berchtesgaden area. The vegetation and surroundings speak for a flat area next to a river, maybe also in Tyrol.

Source: Beale, N., D'Amico, F. and Valentini, G (1996): Air War Italy 1944 - 45, Airlife, p. 213 - 216.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022
 

Hi all,

can an intended delivery to ANR units be excluded?
D'Amico and Valentini picture in their book "Camo and markings of the ANR" on p.109 freshly delivered 109s, still with their StKz, with small crudely hand-painted digits "1" and "3". The "3" depicting the squadriglia where to be delivered to. Maybe a delivery to 3a Squadriglia 1° Gruppo Caccia which did not find its way?

Regards

Roland