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Re: FW190 versus P39

I was looking over the period of time on the 16Jul44 from 08:00-09:30(Berlin and maybe eastern European depending on the unit). I read that Spaete's IV/JG54 had been pulled back to Lublin, Poland around the 13th. On checking Tony Wood's list for the 16th there are cliams listed 50342 and 50151 for the 10. & 11./JG54. Also I found that Oblt. Paul-Rudolf Deterra 10./JG54 was KIA in dogfight on the 16th in FW 190A-8 Wnr. 174029 at 5031(?). Units engaged during that time in that area seem to be IV/JG54, 1. & 8./JG52 and 8./JG51.

Re: FW190 versus P39

Johannes,
You listed Uffz Wihelm Kries and Lt. Luitpold Kuffer (I only found a Lt. Kuffer of 5./SG10 on Kracker) of the 5./SG10 as lost on the 16Jul44. Do you know which FW 190F-8 they were in WNr. 930476 and WNr. 190084? According to Kracker Oblt. Deterra 10./JG54 was KIA in an air battle with Pe-2's.