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Nokose 1st August 2012 20:13

Re: Finnish & Luftwaffe losses on 25-30 Jun 1941
 
Thank You for your input Maxim1 and Mirek on Mark Solonin's work (I had to go look up "tendentious"). I still found his work had some of the things that I was looking for when he qouted sections from the documents on the units. The best I've read so far on that period was an article by Mikhail Timin called "Retaliatory Strike The actions of the Soviet Bomber Aviation 22 June 1941" on the attacks made against the Germans in East Prussia and Poland but sadly its only half of the day. I found Mark Solonin's book "На Мирно Спящиъ Аэродромах... 22 июня 1941" had almost nothing that I was looking for on the subject. Dmitriy Khazanov tends to forget to be non-bias in his histories.

But back to the subject at hand. Mirek do you have information about the losses of both sides of the Finnish airfields?

Mirek Wawrzynski 3rd August 2012 10:16

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Mirek do you have information about the losses of both sides of the Finnish airfields?
Yes I have.

mw

Maxim1 3rd August 2012 23:20

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Originally Posted by Mirek Wawrzynski (Post 152311)
Only writing: Mark Solonin is a very tendentious author.

But who is better then he in Russia or another country?

In my opinion the better ones are Vitaly Gorbach, Oleg Rastrenin and Aleksandr Mardanov.

As for Solonin's books, well, anti-Soviet propaganda is none better than Soviet propaganda, that's all I can say.

Andrei Demjanko 4th August 2012 00:37

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Originally Posted by Maxim1 (Post 152398)
In my opinion the better ones are Vitaly Gorbach, Oleg Rastrenin and Aleksandr Mardanov.

Mardanov's articles have nothing common with serious research. For example, when writing about events of 6 October 1941 in his article 'Defending Russia's North' he somehow managed even not to mention interception by 151 Wing RAF over Vaenga, giving full credit for all Ju88's of KG 30 destroyed that day to Soviet I-16 fighters and AA batteries.
Yuriy Rybin wrote an article, in which he criticised Mardanov's research and his methods (could be read using Google translator or something similar):
http://www.airpages.ru/dc/ww2nf.shtml

Mirek Wawrzynski 4th August 2012 19:21

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Vitaly Gorbach, Oleg Rastrenin and Aleksandr Mardanov.
We are talking about books or articles?

V. Gorbach's book about air war over Kurs, very solid, but similar level to Sołonin's Novaja Ch. K. part 1 and 2. Both written according archival material.
It is depends, personal preferences, who is better writing, Sołonin is more readable, as for me. Sources level is the same - RGVA documents.

Mardanov is know as a autor of articles, which he would like to pospone Y. Rybin, but he did not do it in good level. Rybin later had "smashed" his article in his responce in Aviacja no 11 and 12. It was 9 years ago or so. Mardanov is not very solid, as for me. It is very easy to find many lacks in his materials. He would like to see much more (Soviet air victories and more LW's losses) then were in fact.

Rastrenin, if right remeber put several articles.

Articles, even the best one, are difficoult to compared with books, always it is bigger effort.

The same situatin with Rybin and Mardanov. Rybin has written very good articels, and much more then Mardanov. He is very solid researcher about air war over North, the best one in this area about WW II.
Second one in the same area but earlier period - about Winter War - is Oleg Kisielov.
Both in fact had made much more solid material about this air wars then Sołonin. But both too has not yet done any books, only very solid articles, if I am right. I have not yet seen any books done by them. Rybin is planned to edit in Osprey about Soviet Hurricane's aces this year.

Next better researcher then Sołonin is Siergiej Abrasov, his book about air war over Spain is fundamental (2 edition).
The same is with Mirosłav Morozov, who is focused on naval topics.
V. Kotelnikov is also quite good in books and articles.

Also should be mentioned Michail Timin, his last materials about Soviet bomber responce attacks on 22.06.41 are very good done (2 very long articles). Sołonin had used some information from him too.

Anyway the main topic is air attack on 25-30.06.41. Only Novikov, Kozewnikov, Inoziemcev, Sołonin and Chazanov (with support of C-F. Geust from Finland) as Russian authors has done some material about this events. If I am right? And of course similar material has done C-F Geust from Finland too, very solid articel.

Regards,
mw

PS
It is very pity, that such air magazines like Aviacja, Istoria Aviacji, Mir Aviacji, Aviamaster leter (Aviapark) has finnished their edition.


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