Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

Nice timing, posted at the same moment... :) I agree that the camo looks a little like WNF but there's no chin bulges. The only aircraft built by WNF with a tall tailunit were the G-10's which means that the combination of lacking chin bulges and tall tailunit rules out the WNF option.

I suspected that you were away somewhere, Amman sounds nice and warm. :)

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

Nah, UNESCO Conference in a hotel it means...And outside temperature varies between 10 to 20 degrees Celsius;-))

As for our bird, didn't WNF Wiener Neustadt produce other planes then the know W.Nr. 610 - 612 blocks? Can't go back to my library as it is 3000 miles out...

Cheers
Marc

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

The other WNF WNr block with tall tail 109's was the 77xxxx series but those were G-10's as well which this one cannot be unless it's the Erla variant.

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

Hello Guys,

a little photoshoping will show the distinct "GM-1"-hatch just above the code. So this bird is an Erla-built G-10 or G-10/R6.

The a/c has two features, which may narrow the possible manufacturing date: underwing Balkenkreuze of the old style and a non-retractable high tail wheel. Perhaps Rasmussen can help us.

Greetings

Carl

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

Thanks Carl!

Anders, you owe me a beer, as I owe one to Carl;-)). Inch Allah Rasmussen will drop in...

Cheers
Marc

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

What? I've been saying Erla all along! I'm not sure about the significance of the hatch though, I thought all those hatches were present on Erla built G-14's as well? I believe that the early underwing balkenkreuz was gone when the G-10 production began but I'm not sure. I'm leaning more and more towards Erla built G-14.

Meanwhile I'll hold out on that beet Marc ;)

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

Ah Anders,

you're battering our G-10 stronghold then:p
Ok, let's move towards the keg of beer for the Erla G-10 or G-14 contest:D

Who will be the referee then;-))

Cheers
Marc

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

Ok, just to avoid confusion, I've checked some references and all visible hatches on Black 15 can also be seen on regular Erla built Bf109G-14's. The old style outlined cross on the undersurface of the wing does not rule out an early Erla built G-10.

Looking at the light conditions in the photo I think the large beule of a G-10 would have been quite clearly visible. So, it's got to be an Erla built Bf109G-14. JG4 flew the type until the end...

Cheers! / Anders

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

;)Keg is ready...in Amman:D

Thanks and cheers
Marc

Re: IV/JG 4 Bf 109 captured by Soviet forces 1945
 

Some circumstantial evidence that it is likely an Erla machine: in what losses we have for the gruppe through March '45, Erla machines outnumber Mtt 4 to 1.