Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

ah yes...however it has been speculated for many years...and no one knows if 31010 is the part number of the part that plate is attached to, or the main werk. If it were the main werk, it would have been written in many other places on the aircraft. I suspect it is not the main werk.

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

You can suspect it freely! Of course it's not the main werk. Must be read 3H010, obviously, though doesn't match precisely with spare part listing; you got it?

And believe me I've been lucky to get this picture since the former curator did send "31010" ten years ago - I've been told...

The normal plate behind air scoop doesn't exist anymore (even under thick layers of paint ... and they were ready to sand it down two weeks ago!), as well the small triangle just forward/under tail area.

I've been waiting almost a month for another possibility but it seems the "expert" is out of reach - or more simply he's busy in his own lpersonnal life - so:

You wrote "would have been written in many other places on the aircraft". My question is simple: where? Tending in count that no one do intend to dismount the craft!

You can send me a PM if you think it's better; I do!

Regards, Franck.

PS: I've the picture showing the 3H010 plate position.

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

Let us go back to what this post is about. Here are the erea behind the fuel tank. As you see there is inserted a plate on the bottom. Can it be a camera installation. Seams to be a field, not factory applied.

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

This is also one reason why we dont think it is the 14141 G1. We are missing the round accsess hole for the air compressor to the cabin. This picture is taken off Black 6. Round plate behind the tube.

Strange enough black 6 was orginaly an F. And have G1 possebileties.

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

Is there other Bf109 today that have this modification done to the cable connection trough cocpit sidewalls. This and the sealing ( removed during cleaning) pionts on pressurized cabin, but we dont have the intake for aircompressor. Is ther any photos, drawings out there wehre this can be taken in truogh other places.

There are a smal batch of G3 (ca 50 ea) high altitude fighters made by the Regensburg factory W.Nr block 16251 - 16300. Deliverd to Jg11, some may be even with cameras, hence the repair in the tail ?
This unit was on ocations stationed in southern part of norway.

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

Yes. ;-)

It's the access hatch for the "Mutterkompass"*. It got the F and the G at this position.

*) http://www.me-262.de/upload/cms_bilder/img_00000050.jpg

Do you got any parts of the canopy/windshield? There are typical parts for the pressured Bf 109 G.

Do you got that in your cockpit?
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=756
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=757
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=753

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

That is not a muttekompass hatch...a traditional one anyways.

It would be on the right side (not left), but same approx. location. And is more oval (see attached). And attached by removable screws. That patch seems riveted in permanently.

But regarding a cameras, they were installed usually mid fuselage and replaced the radio system, not the mutterkompass. I would think a compass would be quite useful to a reconaisance pilot. :-)


If I were to hazard a guess, the large patch is simply an overly large damage patch.

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

Uhh, right. It's the wrong side of the fuselage. 8-)

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

I just double checked,and am happy to correct myself. The RB30 camera (which was gigantic) goes in the space of the mutterkompass. It seems almost the size of an mw50 tank.

But, it looks to be sitting more on the centreline, not off to the side.
The smaller cameras (according to one of the 109 manuals) do tend to go in the radio section in the middle of the fuselage.

That is according to standard installations anyways.

Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum
 

Look at the seat back.

I am fascinated that wood and other materials were already being substituted.
I knew it was a late model thing...but I believe you are saying this is likely an early G of some type?