Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

What I wanted to know was the difference between Einweisung and Einweisungsflug - not the same as we know now.
Just remember the famous Me 262 familiarization movie with "White 10" - quite clearly a Einweisung on the ground.
An Einweisungsflug with a trainer beside you or on the rear seat goes off quite different. Thx for the clarification.
Btw, "Platzflug" seems to be a short flight around the airfield only accompanied by the instrucor, but otherwise a rather independent flying without interference by the Fluglehrer.

Regards

Roland

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

Still from a pilot point of view, if "Einweisung" is written on the flightlog it's necessarily an "Einweisungflug".
More, and this did surprised me reading some Lw flightlogs, it's obvious that time flight is counted only when the aircraft is in the air.
So, an einweisung "on ground" isn't registered on it.

As for Platzflug, either with instructor or in solo, when the flight occurs around the base/field (touch and go, maneuver in the field vicinity ...) .. No, navigation; hence Platzflug .
Vol local in French, and local flight in English.

Regards, Franck.

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

@ Franck,

Why? As far as i can say it is still common - even for civilian flight training - in Germany. A flight book only is used as a personal certificate for gathered flight experience. For my eyes this makes sence as one really doesn't fly whilst sitting in an aircraft on the ground.
In my flight book as a glider student of 1979 there i've never had noticed any lessons i was attended on the ground.

Cheers
Norbert

P.S.: I would like to see Your entries in Your personal flight-log as a pilot to make out the difference...

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

Norbert,

In France we start the flight when we start the engine and we stop it when, back on parking, we stop the engine.
We don't use to count a flight when Rolling the plane from parking back to hangar ... And the contrary early in the morning ... I liked to do that when Young pupil.

Since I'm in China I can't send you my log which is in Italy if you want to check I'm really a pilot.
Did I say that one makes a flight "whilst sitting in an aircraft on the ground" or is it just an effect of "German heavy humour"?

To come back on what I effectively wrote concerning some LW flight logs I read, space's so short between two flights I wonder how the guy was able to finish his landing, close his flight and to come back to his starting point for another, different, flight.

Hence, when doing that - in France - the time passed on roll - engine on - was counted as "a flight". Which doesn't seem to be the case.

Clear? Got it?

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

JimP asked for the meaning of Einweisung and - as i understand it - also Einweisungsflug. Both terms have different meanings in German language and concerning flight practise in WWII. I think we Germans tried to explain this. At least I tried to do so.

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

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And since a little picture is better than an endless discussion
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Here under is an extract of Stadler’s log book starting with “Einweisung” which obviously were made in flight!!! 31, 28 and 24 minutes each!!
That is, exactly what I wrote in previous post answering to Roland (and Jim by the way) … on other flight logs we find “Einweinsungflug” for the same purpose.

And continuing by “Schulflug” – starting of his real instruction – where, as described upper, one flight finished at 15:07, the following starting at 15:08 etc …

Note, by the way, that one took the time to write the beginning and the end of each flight, in 1 minute while coming back to starting point (I suppose since the flight ended) .. I never been able to do while teached in a Piper J3 whose rolling distance was equivalent to the one of a Kl25, if not shorter, and which was a “classic three points” either…

Another solution is the following:
The plane did land and stopped, then retook flight since there was enough length left to take-off again. But did he stopped the engine and restart it? I doubt … And if he didn’t, then the flight “wasn’t counted” while the plane was on ground, but still engine running – back to my previous post.
(Note: If the engine was stopped … how was it restarted … on a Kl 25, in this example?)

Of course, it’s not the only log book on which this can be read.

So, as a pilot, instead of trying to kid with condescension about something I didn’t say and I didn’t even suppose, just try to give me a smart explanation.