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Whoa... That's significant, Michael. Can you furnish us with the details of the Soviet pilots lost in that engagement?

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I found two in the OBD listed MIA but it's not possible to establish them in this battle. This came from the book "Над Огненной Дугой" by Vitaliy Gorbach which I made myself an English copy (My Russian is terrible but can read a little).

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22 Aug 1941: Taking off from the airfield at Novoe Selo, which is 12 km N. of Vyrz'ma. to the west of Skachkovo for a reconnaissance mission are two fighters of the 38 ORAE are the MiG-3 (# 3537) Kapt. Mikhail Vasil'evich Shagov and LaGG-3 (# 3121510) Lt. Shishkin. Both listed as MIA.

22 Aug 1941
7./JG 51 Oblt. Herbert Wehnelt I-61 (14) 06:42
7.JG 51 Haral Jung I-61 (7) 06:44

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Hello Michael and Nick,
maybe I have some infos for the Pe-2 claimed on 12.10.41 by Lt. Schick:
On 12.10.41 from a combat recce assignment a crew of 2 APDR VVS-KA did not return. The crew consisted of Commander Ml. Lieutenant Pavel Aleksandrovich Berdnik, navigator St. Lieutenant Pavel Vasilyevich Pukhalskiy, gunner-radio operator Sergeant Valentin Ivanovich Komarov. 2 APDR operated a variety of aircraft – mainly Pe-2 – from Monino A/D in the Kalinin-Toropets area.
BTW which unit suffered from the attacks by Stab JG 3?

Greets

Monaco

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Monaco, they were the 321 BAP (I listed them in my thread "III/JG 3 victories").

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Monaco, Nokose:

I seem to have from somewhere that Guenther Luetzow claimed a TB-3 during the day and Borchers and Gallowitsch claimed PS-84s/Li-2s.
Were these from 7 DBAP? Crews of pilots Babayev, Penin, Butylin, Plakhov, Zaitsev and Kozlov all failed to return. May have actually been TB-3s (as per Luetzow's claim)

Nick

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Nick, your thinking about Luetzow's claims on the 14 Oct 1941 for 1 TB-3 (95) no time NE. Moshajk. I don't have but one more for Aug 1941 and I'm still waiting on more information. I have more coming soon on the 14 Jul 1943 but the German pilots gave all kinds of Soviet types except the ones they exactly shot down.

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Thanks, Nokose. I think that error stems from older info from the otherwise very good Petr Kacha website: http://www.luftwaffe.cz/lutzow.html

Other info that I have says he claimed 2 DB-3s and an I-61 on 14 October for victories 95-97.

On the Soviet debit side I have that the day's fighter losses include 164 IAP, Ml.Lt. Aleksandr Nikolaevich Feoktistov KIA whilst 186 IAP lost Georgy Afanasyevich Chernyshev KIA. Additionally, the Soviet bomber losses include at least one crew from 90 DBAP: Maksim Abdullaevich Abdullin (navigator/gunner) KIA; noting that 90 DBAP also lost Gregory Andreevich Bilyk (gunner as well). Same crew?

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20 Aug 1941
Oblt. Johannes Missfeldt 7./JG 51 I-61 (7) 13:12 no location given but the only single claim for a fighter in this region. The other claims were earlier and for three fighters.

MiG-3 (#3543) 38 ORAE Kapt Viktor Dmitrievich Kozulya (POW) took off alone for a reconnaissance mission in the regions of Arkhovshchina, Krasny Bor, Smolensk. Kozulya was captured near Dukhovshchina. He told the Germans he was part of a Parachute Regiment, probably to make them think such a unit had landed behind the lines. He was involved in a revolt in 1945. The records for the 38 ORAE for August 1941 are few.

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Thanks nokose!