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sidney 30th October 2014 23:00

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
Here is the indirect proof that the above aircraft code might have remained PK+DX in spite of the prominently sported ZG 1 "Wespen" emblem. Source: An expired eBay auction.

obdl3945 31st October 2014 02:50

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
Sydney...

Well, that's one photo I've never seen before... a Caudron 445 with a Wasp insignia.

Great image, and it certainly adds weight to the possibility of the Stkz being retained on the Do215.

Thanks for the image.

Regards,

Paul

Pawel Burchard 31st October 2014 08:42

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obdl3945 (Post 191252)
This is where I would imagine a side-mounted MG to be on a Do17Z, and I am aware of the 'indented' lateral position of the Do217, where the MG was fitted into a recessed area. I accept there is no visible evidence of an MG being fitted in this image (no MG barrel), but there appears to be, to my eyes, a opening - circular in shape at the top - through which an MG could have been fitted.

Paul, here is clear photo of side gun arrangement I was writing about -
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...z4_N_60_10.jpg

Z.G. 1 a/c has earlier arrangement (typical for Do 17 Z), side guns in rearmost windows, and all three guns operated by rear gunner.

regards,
p.

Pawel Burchard 31st October 2014 11:11

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
And by the way... is anyone able to provide details on above a/c from Aufkl.Gr.Ob.d.L.? According to information from ebay auctions the photographs of it were taken on 31.8.1941 in Mal. Wiski near Kirowograd.

p.

Primoz 31st October 2014 16:45

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obdl3945 (Post 191252)
This is where I would imagine a side-mounted MG to be on a Do17Z, and I am aware of the 'indented' lateral position of the Do217, where the MG was fitted into a recessed area. I accept there is no visible evidence of an MG being fitted in this image (no MG barrel), but there appears to be, to my eyes, a opening - circular in shape at the top - through which an MG could have been fitted.

This is certainly possible. There were Do 215s with lateral guns like this one:
http://www.wwiiaircraftphotos.com/LCBW/Do215-B4-3.jpg

And BTW, judging by the Lotfe bomb sight, the ZG 1 Do 215 is a bomber version (and could thus have more guns than the better known recce version).

obdl3945 1st November 2014 13:46

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
Gentlemen,

My thanks again to you for your further posts.

Pawel, this is exactly the type of 'Do217 style' side MG position I had in mind. However, I didn't realise it was introduced onto some Do215s, so I have learned something new today. Another great image, too.

Primoz, my thanks also to you for the link to the other Do215 image. I note your valid point about the ZG1 aircraft having a bombsight and also the possibility of carrying the additional side-mounted MGs. The differing style of MG mount in this image is interesting.

Thanks again to you both.

Regards,

Paul

Pawel Burchard 5th November 2014 15:10

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
And another photograph of (probably) same Do 215 -
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...1Do%252017.jpg

p.

obdl3945 7th November 2014 20:46

Re: Dornier 215 from Stab Z.G. 1
 
Thanks, Pawel...

Another excellent photo.

Regards,

Paul


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