Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

Post#7: I have WNr 1001 as CI+GO not GI+GO. The block GI+G_ are Ju 88 G-6 as far as I know.

To muddy the whole issue: for KK+LQ I have WNr. 2126; WNr. 31047 and WNr. 1047 what is correct?

Regards,
Norbert

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

Thanks Björn

Very valuable information indeed. Thanks for the SNCAN numbers and the corresponding RLM WNr!!

Indeed I have also wondered why there would be any connection between Aviolanda and SNCAN (why would RLM issue two WNr for the same aircraft (ie 0044/991). As you quite rightly say, the so called c/n of Aviolanda is now really put into doubt and I am not sure what to do with them.
If Nico Geldhof is correct in his book, Aviolanda used their own c/n up to 73 (the last Do 24 accepted by MLD). Possibly someone then made an educated guess and assumed Aviolanda continued to issue such numbers. If they did, no idea, but the listing in Wijngaarden/Staal's book now seems rather suspect.

Thanks also for confirming the STKZ batch CM+IA to CM+IZ and that it had nothing to do with the SNCAN production.

Moving over to the SNCAN production.
It seems to me the first ones (WNr 991-1001) were CI+GE to CI+GO.
Norbert seems quite adamant that he's got it right....:)
Any comments on those?

Cheers
Stig

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

Hi Norbert and all others In the KK+L? block I have also many conflicts.
To me its looks like that the RLM has given some blocks for the Do24 but that a clerk of the factory used them 2 times, or an attempt tho confuse the enemy perhaps ?
Cheers
Peter

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

Thanks!
Those darn clerks.....

Regards,
Norbert

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

The KK+L series of St.kz. was split on two different production runs.
First the KK-LA to KK+LE was used on W.Nr. 1031 to 1035 produced by SNCAN in France. Then there is a gap from KK+LF to KK+LM to which I have no references. Then KK+LN to KK+LZ was used by Fokker-assembled Do 24T-3 aircraft from W.Nr. 2101-2105 (KK+LN - KK+LR), 2111-2113 (KK+LS - KK+LU), 21?? (KK+LV) and finally W.Nr. 2132 - 2135 (KK+LW - KK+LZ).
Hope this will clear the matter.

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

Friends

Scrap my theory about CI+GE to CI+GN being WNr 991-1000.
Were making a SNCAN list and of course then noticed 993-1000 are missing from the document compiled by Lt M.A. Moit. I feel it unlikely they were issued anywhere else, so can I assume those WNr were not built?

According to Jean Pierre Dubois 52 SNCAN built Do 24 were delivered to Luftwaffe (22 in 1943 and 30 in 1944). I have asked him if he has found any STKZ details in French archives and await his answer to that.

With regard to M.A. Moit's list, at least I have a problem, and that is WNr 1100.
This is stated to have had STKZ DT+HB but is not included by him. Does anyone have anything on that aircraft or should we consider it to be a red herring?

As usual Björn, thanks for your KK+Lx listings. Anyone else who knows anything about KK+LF to KK+LM? The old LEMB listings seems to be based upon old information....

Cheers
Stig

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

Hi Stig, I have the following info to your questions:
1. W.Nr. 993-1000 were never used in the Do 24 production by SNCAN or anyone else.
2. The total number of French built Do 24 differ in the two sources I have.
In the RLM Aircraft Production program Nr. 227 of 15.12.1944, the total number of French built Do 24's are given as 47 aircraft. In the US Navy report by Lt. M.A. Boit, the total number is quoted as 54 aircraft. However, two of these crashed before being accepted by the Luftwaffe, leaving the total to 52 aircraft.
3. W.Nr. 1000 was never built. I have 1101 as DH+HC, 1102 as DH+HD and 1103 as DH+HE.

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

The KK+LM is mentioned twice:
1.) FB Wodrig with W.Nr.1003, flights in Schellingwoude and note "SNCAN"
2.) FB Erdmann with Seenotstaffel 9

Regards
Rasmussen

Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

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Re: SeenotSt.6 Losses 1-11-1943
 

Many thanks for info.
To Rasmussen: Can you give any dates for the log-book entries.
I consider two log-books as good evidence for the existence of a KK+LM.

To Gogh: That photo should rule out the DH+H-- as Do 24 St.kz.

best regards to you both
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