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edNorth

20th September 2015 15:39

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

While at it, I seek good He 111 H-5 images, especially 4./KG 40 whilst in South-Norway or West of France, first half and summer 1941 (not them on night attacks over Britain) but them on shipping recce or strike. These often flew in wide arch west of Ireland and Northen-Ireland and landed Norway, them flying back. Known codes include F8+AM, F8+CM, F8+EM, F8+GM, F8+LM, F8+MM, F8+NM, F8+OM, F8+PM, F8+QM (10) altho 15 were on strength at one time point.

I put up a question mark on referring to unit KG 40 as operating Torpedo Bombers.

hans_wittman

20th September 2015 18:04

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 206879)

Many Luftwaffe units kept one or two older aircraft for use as transports and for courier duties.

Hi Nick,

Thank for clarifying the matter.

Regards Hans

hans_wittman

20th September 2015 18:08

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidney (Post 206882)

Hi Hans,

Although Nick Beale already answered your query, please also refer to Ed North's post No.3, more specifically to the following: "... He 111s used by KG 40 ... were of many marks, both very early (B and/or E as known from very rare photos) and later versions (H-5 to H-6)..."

In my post I just wanted to illustrate his point since I have a copy of some of these photos of the older He 111 serving with KG 40.

Regards,
Sinisa

Hi Sidney,

Yes i saw that KG 40 mainly used He 111 h-5 and some of them were transfer to Norway and they were torpedoes bomber so it might be plausible that they were use against shipping or to train pilots in the Bay of Biscay and also they used or test guided missiles.

But the info is pretty hard to come by.

Regards Hans

hans_wittman

20th September 2015 18:10

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

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Originally Posted by Graham Boak (Post 206883)

These are clearly not As, having the late engine installation. Es are possible. An assumption would be Js, as these were supposedly built for torpedo-bomber use, but there does not seem to be any strong mounting for the torpedoes visible under the fuselage.

Hi Graham,

The pvc rack for torpedo mounting were very quick and easy to install on any he 111, that was the main versatility of the 111.

Regards Hans

hans_wittman

20th September 2015 18:14

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Originally Posted by edNorth (Post 206889)

Hi Ed,

Thank that some new info i didn't came across yet, will try to google them intensively to see if i came across something.

Regards Hans

Chris Goss

20th September 2015 18:37

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

KG 40 did not operate the Me 410 nor did it carry out torpedo missions over the Bay

gogh	20th September 2015 19:19

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

given earlier on this board by Jim P.

"Re: KG40 HE111 Loss 21.3.42
He 111H-6, 4375, Popp, Fw. Ludwig, , III., 9., KG 40, gelbeE, F8+ET, VF+WL*, , 21-Mar-42, Interned with crew due to Luftkampf with Beaufighter from 254 Sq. (Schand)., , Lfl.3/Atlantik, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; The Blitz, Then & Now, III, p.99, , See südwestlich Bull Rock Lighthouse, County Cork, Eire, 100%, F, Bo Uffz. Heinrich Kapp, Bf Uffz. Adolf Ölkers & Bs Gefr. Rudolf Ippich, ,"

hans_wittman

21st September 2015 02:57

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 206897)

KG 40 did not operate the Me 410 nor did it carry out torpedo missions over the Bay

Hi Chris,

I took the information from this very credible source :

In late 43 began conversion to Me 410 destroyers. In 6.43 redesignated V./KG2

http://www.ww2.dk/air/kampf/kg40.htm

For the 111 h i also found nothing regarding torpedoes operations so far

Regards Hans

hans_wittman

21st September 2015 02:58

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

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Originally Posted by gogh (Post 206898)

Hi Gogh,

Thank for the info

Regards Hans

Nick Beale

21st September 2015 11:34

Re: We need some help regarding KG 40 Bordeaux-Merignac

Quote:

Originally Posted by hans_wittman (Post 206912)

Two points here: (1) Chris is an even more credible source; (2) converting to the Me 410 and then being renamed as V./KG 2 does not mean that KG 40 ever used the type on operations over the Atlantic.

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