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Re: HE111 I. D. markings help?

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Originally Posted by robinh (Post 211218)

Posted this question on a different site but have not heard any info.

I recently obtained a neat small photo of a HE-111 bomber crashed possibly in England. The rear body markings are SF + CY. The tail rudder has the number 4962. Would this be a school marking? There is a small US Piper plane shown on the ground in the background. Any id and history on that bomber and crew would be appreciated. Any hints on how to do that research myself would be wonderful also. Thank you.

Hello,

I hope you don't mind a few questions that you can answer or decline to.

How did you obtain the photo? Online, friend, relative, antique shop? Other?

The US Piper. Are there any troops near it? German, American, British? And the same for the He-111.

Best,
Ed

Re: HE111 I. D. markings help?

I wonder if the USAAF plane in the background isn't an

Aeronca Grasshopper L-3C or it could be an Piper L-4

Vince...

Re: HE111 I. D. markings help?

Unless we are allowed to see the photo, knowing if there are any clues to its location would be helpful. Is it possible the US plane is a captured example? Is it possible those in the area are British or Americans (if any people are in the photo)? Or perhaps there is a building or other landmark in view that would help I.D. the location.

Ed

Re: HE111 I. D. markings help?

Hi Ed

The photo was there a few minutes ago, hence my comments on the USAAF airplane. Don't know where it's gone????

Vince...

Re: HE111 I. D. markings help?

With GMC Wapons Carrier Ambulance, Piper L-4 Grasshopper (!) and Jeep in bckground, remains of typische Luftwaffe camo netting, near burnt out center fuselage He 111 H-6 4962 SF+CY, I say spring 1945 at the earliest. Location could be anywhere from France to Austria. -Ed

Re: HE111 I. D. markings help?

The photo is odd. On the right side is a dark area with a building/house and a vertical pole and then a light area above it as if there was some artificial elimination of part of the image, leaving a light area. It just looks so inconsistent to me.

Ed

Got the photo in an antique store with 3 other German ww2 but not Luftwaffe related photos. I did not notice the other US vehicles in the background. You people have better eyes than me I guess. Did not realize that was camo netting on foreground. I also note 3 or 4 power (communication?) poles in background by buildings. If markings are late war than I guess this aircraft would be down in Europe somewhere. Is there a log of downed Luft planes anywhere?

I now also note a wingtip or tailtip just showing on the left foreground of the photo. Maybe propeller edge?

Back of photo is marked "VELOX" and has an inkstamp "764V"

With a 10X eyepiece I maybe see one person standing by the jeep in the far background. Too small and too fuzzy for any id to me.

As to the "light" area on right side of photo. I see a haze in the hills of the background. Maybe a cloudy sky? Also remains of a fingerprint that won't wipe off in the right hand upper corner. Thx.

I did not notice the US vehicles in the background before. Good eyes.

I got the photo and 3 other German (non Luft related) photos at an antique shop.

I see with a 10x eyepiece one man by the jeep but too small and fuzzy to tell anything. Also see a few power (communication?) poles back by the buildings.

The photo shows a haze (mist?) in the background against the hills. Maybe a cloudy sky? The top right corner of photo has a part fingerprint that won't rub off too.

Now note that a wingtip or tail tip shows a little in the left side of photo.

Thx for all the help.