Re: New Me109 Wreck Discovered. ** Some Graphic Content
 

I couldn't help how this clip made me feel and had no hesitation in stating so. Sorry if that was superficial, heavy or rude.... Call it the truth.

Re: New Me109 Wreck Discovered. ** Some Graphic Content
 

That was about the method deployed by the team (call it dig or sa(u)lvage), which lacks sensitivity/tact before sending it to the world's eyes.
As an amateur (and not archaeologist) I use to manage recoveries, now with authority collaboration. There are basic rules as such as... "not digging above the wreckage, if deeper, go larger, etc."

So back to the topic, dig done, hoping the artefacts will return to the family.

ClinA-78

Re: New Me109 Wreck Discovered. ** Some Graphic Content
 

To me a grave robber is someone who intrudes on a formal burial site for financial gain. Again only my opinon but in this case the location was a unknown place of death rather than a formal or registered grave and without the dig the location of the death of this pilot would have remained unknown . Hopefully any human remains found will be treated with respect and given a formal resting place as Andrey indicates. While their methods are described as crude are they not the same methods employed by recovery groups elsewhere . I was more concerned that as shown on other vids of recoveries deep excavations with vertical sides are being entered and undermined at depth without any shoring. With such deep digs those working in them are putting themselves at considerable risk of a possible collapse, sometimes caused by the weight of the digger at the edge of the dig. Without shoring the dig sides should be angled back to reduce the risk of collapse. This would of course result in a much bigger hole and would need a larger digger with a longer arm . I suppose though because there has been no report of any collapse on such digs the risks will continue to be taken . At least it appears that the remains of this pilot will now be placed amonst his comrades in a formal grave . No offence meant to anyone just my thoughts .

Re: Is that Prestone (German equivalent) coolant in the hole?
 

No, it does not. It was written (in Russian though) that these guys were about to pour a mix of antifreeze and hydraulic liquid over the ground, probably to soften it up.

I would not call them grave robbers. They documented their find on camera and posted it on the internet, which is something that no grave robber would ever contemplate to do. To me, we can discuss about the methods, but it all seems fair play.

Regards,
Sinisa

Re: New Me109 Wreck Discovered. ** Some Graphic Content
 

So if they poured that mix, they really deserved the crude method! The soil seems already soggy. However, the wreckage, itself, is a source of pollution...
I am rather thinking about Farbbeutel? I have already seen that kind of greenish color.

ClinA-78

Re: New Me109 Wreck Discovered. ** Some Graphic Content
 

After 70+ years being buried in the ground, I would not expect any liquid remaining in aircraft as a potential source of pollution. However, if you want to believe that it was the case, that is alright - I provided you with the correct translation, you draw your own conclusions.

Re: Is that Prestone (German equivalent) coolant in the hole?
 

In the video and on the forum they says it is a mix of liquids from the Bf109 systems. The wreck lays on the clay sheet so the liquid remained on the place.

Re: Is that Prestone (German equivalent) coolant in the hole?
 

Thank you for the translation proper. My apology.

Re: New Me109 Wreck Discovered. ** Some Graphic Content
 

It's common knowledge that the Russians are looting war graves all over eastern Europe, do a search and you'll find all the videos. I don't see how these guys are much different, ripping jewelry off the fingers of dead people. Revolting. Period.

Re: New Me109 Wreck Discovered. ** Some Graphic Content
 

And where is the market for this stuff? What's the difference between the evil, ugly and dirty looters in Russia (or in Cambodia in the 70s, or Iraq and Syria today) and shiny, happy and wealthy collectors in the west? To me they are the same sort of scum. And in this particular case I can only see that an aviator will receive a decent burial after more than 70 years.

Boris